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01-24-2017, 08:24 AM

#6511

Bhawkdrvr

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Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

01-24-2017, 11:34 AM

#6512

pr1m3

New Hire

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Originally Posted by Bhawkdrvr

Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

That is a good question, which I'm sure is likely answered with "it depends" I imagine. I am in the same boat as you and trying to acquire as much information as possible before jumping in head first.

Another question I have concerning Envoy is domicile. Is DFW "easy" to get for a domicile for new hires currently? I'd like to homestead in DFW and of course not commute if possible.

Additionally, how is it that Envoy projects upgrade within 2.5 years but currently the most junior CA have DOH in 2011? By my math that is closer to 6 years, the same amount of time they foresee flow to AAL.

01-24-2017, 12:59 PM

#6513

Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Last question first. The number of new hires between 2012-2015 is less than the number of pilots in 2011. 250ish pilots were hired between both of those time periods. We have had a lot of stagnation over the past 5 years but now we are upgrading about 100 every three months. So it's only going to take about 8 months to upgrade four years of pilots. On the last bid we had 2012 new hires upgrade so we are about to see a steep drop in upgrade time this year.

Commuting on reserve is like you said hellish. No way to mitigate the pain of it. With reserve not being commutable it is brutal. Some people can make it commutable but depending on where you commute from makes it impossible to commute in the day before.

Good news in reserve time is dropping like a rock right now.

01-24-2017, 01:34 PM

#6514

MidLife

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Joined APC: Dec 2016

Position: Line holder, barely

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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Additionally, how is it that Envoy projects upgrade within 2.5 years but currently the most junior CA have DOH in 2011? By my math that is closer to 6 years, the same amount of time they foresee flow to AAL.

I don't speak from knowledge, just guessing - they probably are seeing attrition from pilots dissatisfied with the low QoL, and can project based on the attrition. I don't think they will ever post attrition numbers - no one wants to air dirty laundry...

01-24-2017, 01:55 PM

#6515

pr1m3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Commuting on reserve is like you said hellish. No way to mitigate the pain of it. With reserve not being commutable it is brutal. Some people can make it commutable but depending on where you commute from makes it impossible to commute in the day before.

Good news in reserve time is dropping like a rock right now.

Thanks for the prompt answers, much appreciated. However, it spurs new questions from me.

Reserve not being commutable, is that policy that you must be in say DFW for your reserve time, or would it be possible to commute from somewhere like San Antonio that has around 10 flights a day and hang out at the DFW airport or local area until the end of your reserve time for the day and commute back home?

Can you expound a bit on reserve time dropping like a rock? You mean people are gaining seniority quickly in order to hold a line or?

01-24-2017, 02:09 PM

#6516

Pcruz28

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Originally Posted by Bhawkdrvr

Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

I got off IOE in October and looks like I might be off reserve in May or June according to the flow plan.

01-24-2017, 02:14 PM

#6517

Pcruz28

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Originally Posted by MidLife

I think there was 100 CA (Correct me if I'm wrong) openings on the last bid... so 250 from the last guy the was awarded the upgrade would be around 3 to 4 upgrade bids until it hits everyone between 2011 and 2015... we were told to expect further upgrade bids with similar sizes. So the math works all we can do is wait honestly.

01-24-2017, 03:52 PM

#6518

Weekendwarrior2

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Originally Posted by Pcruz28

Only problem is the dated 3,000 TT requirement for upgrade. Guys were passed over in the latest bid due to not having the total time required to upgrade. I only anticipate more in forthcoming vacancies. You can't expect new hires to have that 3,000 hours in 2.5 years if they are hired on with only a R-ATP with 1,000 hours total. I'm not sure what other regionals requirement is, but I'm assuming they'll have to lower this requirement soon to keep up with the amount of CA's needed IMO. Not the worst problem to have though, I just never thought I'd see this becoming a problem because I didn't think upgrade time would drop so fast.

01-24-2017, 05:13 PM

#6519

ORDinary

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Originally Posted by Pcruz28

In addition there are a lot of FOs who have and will continue to bypass upgrade, due to poor quality of life as a junior Captain on reserve. Because of our 300+ captain lifers, reserve in the left seat is measured in years instead of months. Local junior captains (myself included) often choose reserve instead of the junior lines. On ORD EMJ almost half of the total captains are lifers. The plus side of this is obviously the lowered upgrade time for FOs who don't bypass. It now looks like upgrade time for current new hires could really be as short as advertised.

01-24-2017, 08:03 PM

#6520

GodIsGood

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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Please tell me you know the difference between someone hired before AMR declared bankruptcy and a pilot hired today. Its a completely different world! How many times do we have to go over this.
We told people our upgrade time would fall to 2.5 years when it was at the time 8.5, and nobody believed it. Now, a year later it is 4.5 years and people still don't believe it.
If you don't believe the projections, just wait on the sideline until it drops to 2.5 years.
Get on that backside of the hiring and retirement wave that pilots are so good at finding.