AdiosMikeFox

Word is that the vast majority of hires are coming from the pipeline programs, so interviews are not necessarily an indicator of how many are getting on. I've never heard how many have signed on to the pipeline program. Again, we don't need 1:1 replacement. We're fat on pilots and they want to lose a bunch of us. We're fat on captains, we don't need 1:1 upgrades to flows, and ENY enjoys running captains into the ground during normal ops with extensions and JM's so we can expect the minimum number of upgrades to get by.

These guys aren't going to start upgrading any significant numbers until they absolutely have to, and in envoy parlance that means they'll be cancelling flights due to lack of captains before they upgrade. If it isn't obvious by now, it should be plain that this company hates paying for our "too senior" seniority list, especially the captains.

TheStranger

Given this, if a new hire was commuting, how many hotels do you think would need to be purchased each month?

AdiosMikeFox

As a new hire you're going to be on reserve. Likely pulling airport standby. Get a crashpad. As you move up the list you will get a mixed bag of trips and you may be able to maneuver into more commutable trips. By then you'll be able to gauge whether you can use hotels or stay with a crashpad. All of this is also dependent on where you commute from and the frequency of flights that will get you to and from work.

Inclined plane

New to 121 here, so in order to upgrade at any airline, one needs 1000 SIC and needs to be right at the 50% seniority level? Is that basically it? If so then a newbie coming to envoy has to wait for roughly 1000 FOs to move out or up and a similar number back filled behind him, and if another newbie went to Compass, they would have to have about 400 FOs move up or out and only 400 back filled behind them. Is this basically correct? Serious question thanks


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TheStranger

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Any estimate as to how long a new hire would be a "airport standby" reserve pilot before being a reserve pilot who can pick up trips?

PilotJ3

For a standby line you have to bid it. If you don't bid it, you won't get it unless they are using the stdby guy and the call you for the shift.

Day before you can proffer for the open trips, if there's nobody ahead of you that want it, you get it. If you didn't proffer for a trip, but nobody ahead of you request it, they assign it to the most Jr persona available in the list.

There's different standby times, also if you don't get a trip, you get either 4am or 10am RAP (reserve availability period). After they call you from any of the rap you have to be at the airport in 2 hours.

Theres a lot of stuff about reserve, but that's the basics.

AdiosMikeFox

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. You can't be assigned a standby line, but let's face it, the bottom of the list is usually going to end up being assigned it.

Timeline is unknown for moving up the list. As I'm sure you've read in the threads, things could start moving quickly this year and they want to hire 400 (they usually want "X", but actually hire less). If they even hire half that that's going to be a bunch of people under you on reserve in the space of a year. The potential is good - but it's s gamble just as much as any other regional.

SkyWago

Yeah I think the number was about that for 2015. I don't know what they are thinking but Jan and Feb should be a indicator of how the year might go with the Pipeline actually starting to pay off with NH's. From what I have heard from the front office it was expected to take 8-9 months from signing the papers for the Flight Instructors til they would end up in classes at ENY.


Not Necessarily. There are still FO's who have 700 seniority numbers that have chosen to not upgrade and a few are thinking that they might stay FO's til they flow.

In theory what you said would be accurate but people choose to bypass upgrading all the time because of the Domicile the CA slots are at or not wanting to be the bottom guy on the list again, ect.

There is also the factor that we saw at ENY this year that over 100 guys left for other carriers that weren't regionals. (Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, Southwest). Most were FO's so that is something also to consider, some of the people on the list above you may in fact leave before upgrading.

PilotJ3

It's like everything, if you are on the front part of the wave, the odds of QOL are better.

Example...I was hired at the end of 2010, my QOL is way better than guys hired at the end of 2011 (they are slowly coming out of reserve now). I can get full and partial weekends commutable. Most of the months I use only 1 hotel. My trade off is that I want days off, not 80-85hr lines.

egl2fdx

When do you upgrade?