MD-11Loader

Where is the f/o staffing at now for LGA? Word is the next class is going to offer a lot of LGA slots, as will the class on the 19th. Trying to decide whether it's a good second choice.

moon

Last class had 16 class before had 3. So still need about 16 to get to the vacancy number. I'm guessing there will be another vacancy by the time you get out of class so those numbers probably will change as people go where their seniority will allow.

MD-11Loader

Thanks. Has the actual number of aircraft being based there been announced?

Pedro4President

On the drug test, no new is good news. You will never hear back that you passed. Your next question will be better answered by a new guy. Good luck.

Jersdawg

Where were they before the money then? Just curious.

pagey

Aviatrx

It is mostly the money and the cherry is flow. We had a trickle of new hires prior to the pay inhancements with the flow already in place for several years. We are getting the new hires now. Hopefully we can retain them. I believe there is a lot of room for improvement in retention. It is a huge gamble for a new hire to stay put when all the legacies and majors are hiring like crazy. What does AA have to offer in transition? It is my hope that when flowing, AA will choose to recognize the years of service flying their passengers. After all, it is the same company. They are getting one over on us by starting over with sick and vacation accumulation. A new hire at Envoy will spend over a decade with no more than 2 weeks of vacation in its present design. Also, obviously improved schedules will help to retain.

Dacuj

Seems like you have been out of the loop for a while. Envoy classes were trending up all summer. We already were getting close to 40 per month prior to the bonus announcement. Add in a handful just for the bonus and you get where we are now. 50 plus per month and increasing. 90% of new hires are coming for the flow. If you hire on mid twenties or early thirties and spend 5 years and change at a regional then move to AA with just a transfer, you've got a major league career. Plus, as I said, the upgrade is plummeting. Out of that 5 plus spent at Envoy, it's very likely about 4 years of it will be in the captain seat.

271c

Does anybody tell me if the medical check passed , when and how the offer can be upgrade to a formal one.



It pretty much always says "conditional," even when you get to training. That's when you sign a paper saying nothing has changed in your PRIA, etc. Until that point, it remains conditional upon you maintaining a clean record, passing the drug test, etc. I recall having a similar feeling -- "when is this going to be a 'final' or 'official' offer?" Have no fear, it will all work out just fine. Don't read too much into it; they want you in class, and aren't going to pull your offer barring some change on your end (i.e. a violation, undisclosed issues, drug test failure, etc.).

Pedro4President

Well, how is it that all the facts are slapping you right in the face and you can't even see it???????

The NH showed up when the 175 came online and choice of base was offered. Then a slow but steady increase in good news with pay came out. First the FO retention and the 5 grand plus the 121 time times 100 ( or whatever it was). Then the experience bonus got pushed to 135 time and the part 91 time then it was flat out 15 k across the board. Finally the Flex pay LOA and then the bump to 60k.

From the time we signed the new flow agreement through 175s coming online we had 140 NHs over 16 months. Less than 10 per month showed up during the time they would have the fastest flow to AA. Flow attracted less than 10 per month. 60k first year pay with flow = as you say 70 per month.

And finally if we do have 70 per month the flow difference between those 70 pilots according to the number you use is 6-8 months difference. So after a few months are you going to tell those guys their flow time is close to 7 years?