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Old 11-21-2016, 11:59 AM
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Any projection for the 12/19 class? Hoping for the ERJ/CRJ in ORD as my first choice with LGA as my second.

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Old 11-21-2016, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Yeah, this is not a good thing. This is a telling example of how absolutely awful our lines are. Because reserve is terrible here, so think about what the lines are like if 50+ FOs would rather do reserve than fly them. This is a new low. Welcome to envoy.


They must have been trying for Xmas off because being the bottom on reserve is way worse than the worst line.

Line holders can trip trade, so if you get an uncommutable line, you can make it commutable. There's a really slim chance he can trade for Xmas off too. I pulled it off with Thanksgiving this month. Other line holder benefits: You'll get paid extra if you get flying added on to the end of your sequence. Reserves get turned back to eternity and nothing extra for it. I could go on and on.

This guy lucked out since guys senior to him are either inexperienced and don't know the benefits of holding a line, or they're locals who prefer reserve QOL.


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Old 11-21-2016, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Any projection for the 12/19 class? Hoping for the ERJ/CRJ in ORD as my first choice with LGA as my second.


Recruitment was able to tell a few guys in my class back in August. Try to ask them next time you talk with them.


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Old 11-21-2016, 12:11 PM
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Glad to hear some good news for the new guys. Now if we could just fix the QOL issues with schedules and other abuses it would be great.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cr700
^^^^^This. And it will continue like this indefinitely. With 300 in the pipeline and pool and hiring upwards of 50 per month, you'll continue to see movement. The 2.5/5.5 is real.
How about the rest of the bases/equipment?
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiner
They must have been trying for Xmas off because being the bottom on reserve is way worse than the worst line.

Line holders can trip trade, so if you get an uncommutable line, you can make it commutable. There's a really slim chance he can trade for Xmas off too. I pulled it off with Thanksgiving this month. Other line holder benefits: You'll get paid extra if you get flying added on to the end of your sequence. Reserves get turned back to eternity and nothing extra for it. I could go on and on.

This guy lucked out since guys senior to him are either inexperienced and don't know the benefits of holding a line, or they're locals who prefer reserve QOL.


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Ummm...except that all of the bottom reserve lines work Christmas, and yet people are still choosing reserve through Christmas over hard lines through Christmas.

Face it, when people talk about reserve time at an airline, it supposed to be a measure of upward movement, since it is assumed that the junior people will be on reserve until their seniority enables them to hold a line. Here at envoy the lines are so awful that many, many people choose to be reserve rather than fly a line--and that despite our atrocious reserve rules and poor staffing! How do I know this? I am one of those people. I assume I will stay reserve until I flow, unless the lines greatly improve.
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
Well reserve in Chicago only has about 27 FOs for December. So Get ready for a creative month from the overlords at CS.
27! Oh wow that's low.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:03 PM
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Would LGA be a better base than ORD for a guy just starting training?Looks like the class of 30 didn't help any of the past class ORD 145 new hires. Either way I'm going to have to commute. I wonder if they are going to continue hiring more into ORD or if they are going to start focusing hiring into LGA.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:53 PM
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Would it be better to ask for ORD CRJ or ORD 145 from a standpoint of QOL and reserve if I were to be hired at Envoy? Thanks all!
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Ummm...except that all of the bottom reserve lines work Christmas, and yet people are still choosing reserve through Christmas over hard lines through Christmas.

Face it, when people talk about reserve time at an airline, it supposed to be a measure of upward movement, since it is assumed that the junior people will be on reserve until their seniority enables them to hold a line. Here at envoy the lines are so awful that many, many people choose to be reserve rather than fly a line--and that despite our atrocious reserve rules and poor staffing! How do I know this? I am one of those people. I assume I will stay reserve until I flow, unless the lines greatly improve.


You must live local and be fairly senior. I can see bidding reserve to avoid 4 day trips until more day trip and 2 day lines come back.




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