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10-16-2016, 10:39 PM
#5351
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 113
Sat on a mainline jumpseat lately? Bet you have. Heard anyone complain about how miserable they are, and recount how much better things were back in the day? Bet you see it all the time. Going to mainline will certainly be better, but you will likely find yourself miserable there as well in time.
Personally, I look at airline flying as more of a lifestyle than a job. Yes, our schedules were much better and couldn't get much worse. I hear the same things from my friends at mainline. But my question is, if envoy is so bad...why are you still here? I'll bet there's a few billion people that would give anything to have your job.
10-17-2016, 05:55 AM
#5352
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
Guys I'm flying the line here. It isn't and hasn't been fun. We will never be the old eagle. However the higher up changed and things are beingput in place to make it better. I do believe this is real and Sam isn't lying in HIS emails.
Guys I'm an ex Union rep who voted no and swing the b scale for 900 offer. I'm just being honest on this and I'm hopeful and believe the movement will continue on a realistic timeline in our favor.
Guys I'm an ex Union rep who voted no and swing the b scale for 900 offer. I'm just being honest on this and I'm hopeful and believe the movement will continue on a realistic timeline in our favor.
10-17-2016, 06:01 AM
#5353
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
Actually, it was a brilliant statement. I know many people at AA who have 16-18 days off a month, fly one leg a day, overnight in Auckland for 32 hours, make close to $300,000 a year, take the equivalent of 6 months vacation a year, and think they have the worst job in the world.
Sat on a mainline jumpseat lately? Bet you have. Heard anyone complain about how miserable they are, and recount how much better things were back in the day? Bet you see it all the time. Going to mainline will certainly be better, but you will likely find yourself miserable there as well in time.
Personally, I look at airline flying as more of a lifestyle than a job. Yes, our schedules were much better and couldn't get much worse. I hear the same things from my friends at mainline. But my question is, if envoy is so bad...why are you still here? I'll bet there's a few billion people that would give anything to have your job.
Sat on a mainline jumpseat lately? Bet you have. Heard anyone complain about how miserable they are, and recount how much better things were back in the day? Bet you see it all the time. Going to mainline will certainly be better, but you will likely find yourself miserable there as well in time.
Personally, I look at airline flying as more of a lifestyle than a job. Yes, our schedules were much better and couldn't get much worse. I hear the same things from my friends at mainline. But my question is, if envoy is so bad...why are you still here? I'll bet there's a few billion people that would give anything to have your job.
Why am I still at envoy? Why do you management stooges always ask that as if you didn't know the answer? So your opinion is that we should just blindly accept whatever happens to our quality of life, no matter how bad it gets.
10-17-2016, 07:25 AM
#5355
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 394
The schedules at Envoy have sucked for a while now. Longer time away from base for the same pay. However, in the past, nobody in management nor the union indicated they would be getting better. In fact, it was said that not much could be done about it. I distinctly remember a letter from the scheduling committee in the spring that said exactly that.
Below is a letter that was sent out by the outgoing scheduling committee chairman last month. The timing of the letter coincidences with the pay increases at Envoy. I think AAG knows the schedules are a top priority, but they can't just change the flight file in 1 month. I'm willing to bet once January rolls around, we'll see the type of drastic improvement in the schedules we've just received in pay.
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Below is a letter that was sent out by the outgoing scheduling committee chairman last month. The timing of the letter coincidences with the pay increases at Envoy. I think AAG knows the schedules are a top priority, but they can't just change the flight file in 1 month. I'm willing to bet once January rolls around, we'll see the type of drastic improvement in the schedules we've just received in pay.
September 18, 2016
Pilots,
(Shortened for brevity)
MEC Chairman Sam Pool has been told that starting later this year or early next year AAG will provide at least one midday turn per city (with an ENY overnight) per day to allow pilots to get into and out of those cities in an attempt to try to limit the longer overnights. We are still trying to get a better flight file to help our productivity. Also, AAG has reorganized network planning, the department that gives envoy the flight file. Those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input. We are hoping that now AAG will rearrange the regional flying so we get a better flight file. Pleasantly, we received the file over a week early this month, which is a marked departure from the past.
A few weeks ago, Kyle Flynn, the DFW LEC rep had a meeting with John Dixon to try to help the Scheduling Committee get some changes to improve our pilots’ QOL. I’m told that the meeting was very productive and we may have some positive changes coming for the November bid lines. The October E145 lines had some sequences that deadheaded to and from MIA that we were able to put together into a line to help out the MIA pilots. We tried, but could not find enough sequences in JFK to do the same. The CRJ had more 4 on 3 off than in September, and there’s hope to improve that further in November. The E175 is starting to have the same problems as the rest of the fleets. The biggest problem is the number of RSV the company needs to run the airline. The Company has a self-imposed minimum number of reserves that they want available. If we were able to decrease this number we would have more bodies with which to increase the number of lines. An increase in the number of lines would likely result in increased days off. This also holds true if we got more pilots on property.
In closing, I’d like to thank my brother and sister pilots at Envoy for the chance to serve as your scheduling committee, and I look forward to seeing you all at AA someday soon.
Pilots,
(Shortened for brevity)
MEC Chairman Sam Pool has been told that starting later this year or early next year AAG will provide at least one midday turn per city (with an ENY overnight) per day to allow pilots to get into and out of those cities in an attempt to try to limit the longer overnights. We are still trying to get a better flight file to help our productivity. Also, AAG has reorganized network planning, the department that gives envoy the flight file. Those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input. We are hoping that now AAG will rearrange the regional flying so we get a better flight file. Pleasantly, we received the file over a week early this month, which is a marked departure from the past.
A few weeks ago, Kyle Flynn, the DFW LEC rep had a meeting with John Dixon to try to help the Scheduling Committee get some changes to improve our pilots’ QOL. I’m told that the meeting was very productive and we may have some positive changes coming for the November bid lines. The October E145 lines had some sequences that deadheaded to and from MIA that we were able to put together into a line to help out the MIA pilots. We tried, but could not find enough sequences in JFK to do the same. The CRJ had more 4 on 3 off than in September, and there’s hope to improve that further in November. The E175 is starting to have the same problems as the rest of the fleets. The biggest problem is the number of RSV the company needs to run the airline. The Company has a self-imposed minimum number of reserves that they want available. If we were able to decrease this number we would have more bodies with which to increase the number of lines. An increase in the number of lines would likely result in increased days off. This also holds true if we got more pilots on property.
In closing, I’d like to thank my brother and sister pilots at Envoy for the chance to serve as your scheduling committee, and I look forward to seeing you all at AA someday soon.
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10-17-2016, 07:33 AM
#5356
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Guys I'm flying the line here. It isn't and hasn't been fun. We will never be the old eagle. However the higher up changed and things are beingput in place to make it better. I do believe this is real and Sam isn't lying in HIS emails.
Guys I'm an ex Union rep who voted no and swing the b scale for 900 offer. I'm just being honest on this and I'm hopeful and believe the movement will continue on a realistic timeline in our favor.
Guys I'm an ex Union rep who voted no and swing the b scale for 900 offer. I'm just being honest on this and I'm hopeful and believe the movement will continue on a realistic timeline in our favor.
10-17-2016, 08:28 AM
#5357
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 569
I'm sick and tired of people arguing that Envoy is a terrible place to work. Is it perfect? Hell no. But neither is Skywest, Expressjet, Compass etc. I've had a great time here, work with great people, it is industry average pay, great travel benefits, and i have the flow to fall back on. Schedules can be improved but i would not call them terrible, mostly cause i was not here back in the Eagle days but it works for me. Reserve is less than a year and things have been picking up with hiring which will help a lot of people get better schedules. BTW once you're a line holder trip trading is your friend. I got a great schedule with good credit by trip trading.
Some things are changing for the better but our schedules and qol is badly lagging behind our peers. You may not think it's all that bad but in reality you are defending the wrong thing. Find some other regional trips and compare them to yours and you will see that we are way behind.
10-17-2016, 09:01 AM
#5359
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 366
Here is a fact. Well, I just added them up now, so these numbers could be off by a couple...
210 lines had 12 or less days off of the 487 total lines between all 3 fleets. That is over 43% of the lines in November have 11 or 12 days off. That is awful and by far the worst I have ever seen here.
210 lines had 12 or less days off of the 487 total lines between all 3 fleets. That is over 43% of the lines in November have 11 or 12 days off. That is awful and by far the worst I have ever seen here.
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