New Envoy Information
10-16-2016, 10:30 AM
#5321
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Oh? Why would that be? No airport standby, more bases, higher pay, better work rules, not doing 5 leg days all the time, schedules improve as you move up in seniority...
There's no hope of getting better schedules here as you move up, ENY's schedules stink. Top to bottom. Even being senior gets little benefit other than top crappy line with some days off you want. I'm about 1/3 down the list, and the only reason my line is tolerable is because it's commutable so I don't lose more days off at home. Forget days off I want. That's where the bar is set.
I think AA is significantly better. I'll tell you next year.
10-16-2016, 10:40 AM
#5322
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Why can't Envoy build at least 18 h 4-day trips (not even with 5 leg days)? Have the more productive good credit flying been given away? Is it the same unproductive built schedule on every platform?
18 H*4 trips should give you a pretty good schedule. Why can Mesa have that on the AA side but not Envoy?
18 H*4 trips should give you a pretty good schedule. Why can Mesa have that on the AA side but not Envoy?
10-16-2016, 02:20 PM
#5323
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I love the post above, someone says avoid envoy it's awful then says thank god for the flow they are going soon. Ha!
The flight file changes are coming Jan 1st.
Also having ny and soon mia back as based will help ord and dfw tremendously.
The flight file changes are coming Jan 1st.
Also having ny and soon mia back as based will help ord and dfw tremendously.
10-16-2016, 02:23 PM
#5324
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Why can't Envoy build at least 18 h 4-day trips (not even with 5 leg days)? Have the more productive good credit flying been given away? Is it the same unproductive built schedule on every platform?
18 H*4 trips should give you a pretty good schedule. Why can Mesa have that on the AA side but not Envoy?
18 H*4 trips should give you a pretty good schedule. Why can Mesa have that on the AA side but not Envoy?
That's because Mesa is cheaper labor than Envoy. The day turns go to the lowest bidder. The expensive labor gets the overnights with 30+ hours. AAG has long made that business decision.
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10-16-2016, 02:25 PM
#5325
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We will lose between 450-500+ pilots easily next year through flow and other airline attrition. Flow number alone is predicted at 300 in 2017 by AA right now. We only have around 1700ish active pilots on property so losing around 500 is a big impact. 6+ year upgrades will be ancient history soon.
Just had a buddy give his two weeks to CPO. He hasn't even been here a year yet.
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10-16-2016, 02:34 PM
#5326
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I thought AAG would priorities WO pilot QOL for retention purpose, and give the non productive flying to nonWO.
10-16-2016, 02:44 PM
#5327
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Well it's true, the only good thing about envoy is leaving envoy.
10-16-2016, 02:46 PM
#5328
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I've talked to a few FOs who were considering that. Just at a breaking point with these schedules/short staffing/junior manning/bullying. Wish it were not the case.
10-16-2016, 02:48 PM
#5329
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As is the case with any regional. Especially to mainline.
I have a few friends in their 40s who can't get calls from major airlines at other regionals, especially skywest. They are now starting to talk about retiring from there. God forbid they get too expensive or mismanaged.
I have a few friends in their 40s who can't get calls from major airlines at other regionals, especially skywest. They are now starting to talk about retiring from there. God forbid they get too expensive or mismanaged.
10-16-2016, 02:58 PM
#5330
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As is the case with any regional. Especially to mainline.
I have a few friends in their 40s who can't get calls from major airlines at other regionals, especially skywest. They are now starting to talk about retiring from there. God forbid they get too expensive or mismanaged.
I have a few friends in their 40s who can't get calls from major airlines at other regionals, especially skywest. They are now starting to talk about retiring from there. God forbid they get too expensive or mismanaged.
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