StickPig

Out of curiousity (I haven't started training yet)....what exactly is the issues with schedules? Low block? Not commutable? Bad times? 7 legs? Crappy overnights?

adspilot

Every thing you said minus the 7 legs. Lots of 11 12 days off. 72hr lines.

ORDinary

Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Yes and no.

The big issue is the time away from base. We are away from home much, much more than ever before, while our block times are still low. And this has been going on for over a year now, seemingly getting worse every month.

Intel33

I have not seen anyone reference crashpads. What it the usual arrangement? I understand the company will pay for a few hotel nights. Particularly interested in DFW.

Intel33

Anybody able to give me some insight about working for Envoy and flying for the Guard or Reserves?

Thanks

Pedro4President

Hotels are pretty cheap around here about 50 dollars out the door. Most people get by without having a crash pad. It's not hard to get over nights on reserve. You might have to be a little proactive by calling crew scheduling and asking for something if it opens up. Most FOs on reserve in DFW don't want to fly because we live here.

Intel33

Does that mean relatively short reserve sentence because more senior guys who live in DFW area bid reserve hoping to NOT fly?

moon

It's a shorter reserve than it could be yes.

Meatball

Half the schedules are 11 days off. the rest are mostly 12. All four-day trips with only two days off between sequences. 4-2-4-2-4-2. F that! Lost days in the worst places. Many hotels are very substandard. You wouldn't catch AA staying at 90% of the places we have to.

With two days off, if you finish late on day four and can't commute home, you're stuck until the next day so you'll have ONE day off at home before you have to come back. It is MISERABLE and there is no end in sight. They always say the schedules will get better in 2-3 months and they NEVER do. Lies lies lies...

Schedules and QOL are everything in the airline life. Come for the bonuses if you like but know that ENVOY is a horrible place to work. The atmosphere is very anti-pilot. Crew scheduling are extremely adversarial and combative. They live to make your schedules (your life) a living hell. 100% of swaps, drops and PVDs are denied without given a thought. If you need a day off for a very important reason, tough schitt.

Stay away from this schitthole. Thank god I flow outta here soon. It's miserable.

Eject

Sounds like you will probably be miserable at AA as well.