N927EV

Part of the problem is no one knows *** an envoy is. The other half who know who we are associate it with downsizing, long reserve, and long upgrades. Thank management for that one.

Anyone go to the hangar to see the 175 yesterday? Supposedly Pedro said the -145s start coming back in August and we're keeping the rest of thr CRJs now. No mention of additional -175 flying yet. Can anyone confirm this stuff?

mr25cents

I've heard the same about the CRJs, we are keeping the rest due to the Aspen flying (I guess to get the certification from the FAA for the Aspen flying is a long, tedious process)

Eaglepilot84

There is a lot that management needs to announce in order to make this place sound attractive. My personal thought is they are content with the amount of new-hires coming through...after all we are overstaffed right now and these clowns never seem to think ahead. Once 30/month start flowing, plus guys heading to United and Delta, that is when you will see them make their big announcements about envoy upgrading, keeping flying etc; I would imagine they time this with the 175's hitting the line. It's all about who the "flavor of the week" is. Simply put, envoy management nor AAG is ready at this point in time for envoy to be that flavor of the week. Give it a few months though and you will see that change because I guarantee that when people start seeing upgrades come down considerably, plus 300+ a year leaving to AA, plus new-hires in the 175, envoy will be that "flavor of the week." Just my opinion.

PilotJ3

I think the same. It's all about timing...

I guess they are waiting until around January/February/March, to say "hey we sent already 90 flows in 3 months, we are keeping the CRJs and new hires are going to the 175".

PilotJ3

Good, those guys have a 2 year contract. Wich means that program is working, is just about how many more we can get.

Skyvector

A couple of points to clarify:

We are not "overstaffed" per se. People throw that word around too much on this forum. We are what is known as "front loaded". Which means we have staffing for anticipated extra flying and anticipated upgrades/attrition through the flow. However much our pilot group "shrinks" at this point is anticipated to come via flow to AA while the addition of new aircraft (E175) and return of old aircraft (E145) will need staffing.

I have heard the CRJs will be staying, although I don't know how many. The -145s at TSA and ExpressJet are anticipated to return. I haven't heard anything official about extra -175s other than that we are the logical airline to take on more E175 flying if the need arises. The "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" moment in this discussion came in regards to Republic and their downward spiral. Especially in regards to the MIA flying.

Over 30 should flow in January and there is another group here in December. The plan is to flow over 30 per month for all of 2016/2017.

That's all I have now. I would like to say that if I get any more information I will post it here....but honestly my desire to actually provide any kind of useful information on this forum is near ZERO at this point. All we end up doing is arguing with people who don't even work at Envoy but think they know more than those of us who do. APC forums are a complete circus show.

Riverside

I heard in a few more years.

AdiosMikeFox

Semantics.

Front loaded = extra staffing for future planned losses.

In other words, we are deliberately overstaffed with the expectation of future attrition.

Call it what you want, it's a good move on management's part to keep the pilots in their back pockets for the planned movement. Too bad that our QOL has to take such a brutal hit to make it work.

AnotherEagleGuy

Understatement of the year.

snippercr

APC - Caveat emptor, et cetera.