New Envoy Information
#4851
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
I was initially interested in Envoy due to having the flow as a backup, but the hourly pay was just too low for us. With the recent changes (more liveable wage), I'm back to considering Envoy. Has anyone else recently made a lateral move to Envoy, and if so, are you happy you did? I have under a year at my current (first) carrier.
#4852
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
I was initially interested in Envoy due to having the flow as a backup, but the hourly pay was just too low for us. With the recent changes (more liveable wage), I'm back to considering Envoy. Has anyone else recently made a lateral move to Envoy, and if so, are you happy you did? I have under a year at my current (first) carrier.
#4853
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 49
I could see why you would think that, but I'm not. I've always avoided posting on here and just reading. Looks like I'm off to a good start...one post and people think I'm a recruiter!
#4856
September 18, 2016
Pilots,
Greetings from your Scheduling Committee. This might be my last update as committee chairman, since I am set to flow to AA in the October 4th class. I am thankful for the experience, and although the end product has certainly has been frustrating at times this year, I’m departing knowing that the Scheduling Committee has great volunteers who are leaving no stone unturned in trying to turn AAG’s lemons into lemonade.
For October we were allowed to be present for the line build even though the planners were still being trained by S3RUS. Some of the changes we asked for have been approved. The CDOs will have the outstation labeled in the bid packet. The CDOs are also mostly paired together. (Just a reminder: CDO lines do not have to be awarded.) One of the other changes we requested: to have the sequence value instead of the first flight number displayed, did not make it into the program change for October. I have been told that it will be in November bid packet.
MEC Chairman Sam Pool has been told that starting later this year or early next year AAG will provide at least one midday turn per city (with an ENY overnight) per day to allow pilots to get into and out of those cities in an attempt to try to limit the longer overnights. We are still trying to get a better flight file to help our productivity. Also, AAG has reorganized network planning, the department that gives envoy the flight file. Those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input. We are hoping that now AAG will rearrange the regional flying so we get a better flight file. Pleasantly, we received the file over a week early this month, which is a marked departure from the past.
A few weeks ago, Kyle Flynn, the DFW LEC rep had a meeting with John Dixon to try to help the Scheduling Committee get some changes to improve our pilots’ QOL. I’m told that the meeting was very productive and we may have some positive changes coming for the November bid lines. The October E145 lines had some sequences that deadheaded to and from MIA that we were able to put together into a line to help out the MIA pilots. We tried, but could not find enough sequences in JFK to do the same. The CRJ had more 4 on 3 off than in September, and there’s hope to improve that further in November. The E175 is starting to have the same problems as the rest of the fleets. The biggest problem is the number of RSV the company needs to run the airline. The Company has a self-imposed minimum number of reserves that they want available. If we were able to decrease this number we would have more bodies with which to increase the number of lines. An increase in the number of lines would likely result in increased days off. This also holds true if we got more pilots on property.
In closing, I’d like to thank my brother and sister pilots at Envoy for the chance to serve as your scheduling committee, and I look forward to seeing you all at AA someday soon.
Block Hours DFW 145 DFW 175 ORD 145 ORD CRJ ASE System Totals
October
2016 11072.86 6156.28 11191.34 8405.25 296.26 37121.99
Sep
2016 12176.75 5659.06 10872.09 8374.52 311.94 37394.36
Net Change -1103.89 +497.22 +319.25 +30.73 -15.68 -272.37
TAFB Ratio in October is 4.66. Meaning for every hour of pay, you are away 4.66 hours. This is the worst it has been all year.
Oct. Lines Hard Lines RSV, COMP.
STBY. Avg. Credit Avg. Days Off CA
Sept. Jr. Line Holder FO
Sept. Jr. Line Holder
DFW EMJ 154
(+1) 31
(+7) 71.90
(-7.69) 13.16
(-0.09) 22NOV2004
(-6 months) 03FEB2014
(-6 months)
DFW 175 82
(+6) 12
(+3) 75.08
(+0.62) 12.61
(-0.01) 13NOV2006
(even) 25APR2016
(+1 month)
ORD EMJ 153
(-3) 30
(even) 73.15
(+3.46) 13.61
(-0.11) 08JAN2007
(+1 month) 05JAN2015
(-4 months)
ORD CRJ 108
(even) 13
(+3) 77.83
(+0.29) 12.07
(-0.32) 30APR2007
(-1 month) 03AUG2015
(-1 month)
ORD ASE 4
(even) 2
(-2) 76.25
(-1.74) 14.00
(+0.25) 04SEP2000
(-5 years) 08NOV2010
(-6 months)
(+/- from last month)
BIDS CLOSE Tomorrow - Monday, 19SEP AT 1200 NOON CST
24HR Automated TTOT window opens 23SEP @ 12 noon
24HR Automated TTOT window closes 24SEP @ 12 noon
48 Hour Manual Open Time Window
Opens 26SEP @ 12 noon
Closes 28SEP @ 12 noon
Reserve Swap/Drop Requests Starting 26SEP @ 12 noon
Automated TTOT will reopen 30SEP @ 12 noon
Pilots,
Greetings from your Scheduling Committee. This might be my last update as committee chairman, since I am set to flow to AA in the October 4th class. I am thankful for the experience, and although the end product has certainly has been frustrating at times this year, I’m departing knowing that the Scheduling Committee has great volunteers who are leaving no stone unturned in trying to turn AAG’s lemons into lemonade.
For October we were allowed to be present for the line build even though the planners were still being trained by S3RUS. Some of the changes we asked for have been approved. The CDOs will have the outstation labeled in the bid packet. The CDOs are also mostly paired together. (Just a reminder: CDO lines do not have to be awarded.) One of the other changes we requested: to have the sequence value instead of the first flight number displayed, did not make it into the program change for October. I have been told that it will be in November bid packet.
MEC Chairman Sam Pool has been told that starting later this year or early next year AAG will provide at least one midday turn per city (with an ENY overnight) per day to allow pilots to get into and out of those cities in an attempt to try to limit the longer overnights. We are still trying to get a better flight file to help our productivity. Also, AAG has reorganized network planning, the department that gives envoy the flight file. Those now in charge seem immediately more receptive to ENY’s input. We are hoping that now AAG will rearrange the regional flying so we get a better flight file. Pleasantly, we received the file over a week early this month, which is a marked departure from the past.
A few weeks ago, Kyle Flynn, the DFW LEC rep had a meeting with John Dixon to try to help the Scheduling Committee get some changes to improve our pilots’ QOL. I’m told that the meeting was very productive and we may have some positive changes coming for the November bid lines. The October E145 lines had some sequences that deadheaded to and from MIA that we were able to put together into a line to help out the MIA pilots. We tried, but could not find enough sequences in JFK to do the same. The CRJ had more 4 on 3 off than in September, and there’s hope to improve that further in November. The E175 is starting to have the same problems as the rest of the fleets. The biggest problem is the number of RSV the company needs to run the airline. The Company has a self-imposed minimum number of reserves that they want available. If we were able to decrease this number we would have more bodies with which to increase the number of lines. An increase in the number of lines would likely result in increased days off. This also holds true if we got more pilots on property.
In closing, I’d like to thank my brother and sister pilots at Envoy for the chance to serve as your scheduling committee, and I look forward to seeing you all at AA someday soon.
Block Hours DFW 145 DFW 175 ORD 145 ORD CRJ ASE System Totals
October
2016 11072.86 6156.28 11191.34 8405.25 296.26 37121.99
Sep
2016 12176.75 5659.06 10872.09 8374.52 311.94 37394.36
Net Change -1103.89 +497.22 +319.25 +30.73 -15.68 -272.37
TAFB Ratio in October is 4.66. Meaning for every hour of pay, you are away 4.66 hours. This is the worst it has been all year.
Oct. Lines Hard Lines RSV, COMP.
STBY. Avg. Credit Avg. Days Off CA
Sept. Jr. Line Holder FO
Sept. Jr. Line Holder
DFW EMJ 154
(+1) 31
(+7) 71.90
(-7.69) 13.16
(-0.09) 22NOV2004
(-6 months) 03FEB2014
(-6 months)
DFW 175 82
(+6) 12
(+3) 75.08
(+0.62) 12.61
(-0.01) 13NOV2006
(even) 25APR2016
(+1 month)
ORD EMJ 153
(-3) 30
(even) 73.15
(+3.46) 13.61
(-0.11) 08JAN2007
(+1 month) 05JAN2015
(-4 months)
ORD CRJ 108
(even) 13
(+3) 77.83
(+0.29) 12.07
(-0.32) 30APR2007
(-1 month) 03AUG2015
(-1 month)
ORD ASE 4
(even) 2
(-2) 76.25
(-1.74) 14.00
(+0.25) 04SEP2000
(-5 years) 08NOV2010
(-6 months)
(+/- from last month)
BIDS CLOSE Tomorrow - Monday, 19SEP AT 1200 NOON CST
24HR Automated TTOT window opens 23SEP @ 12 noon
24HR Automated TTOT window closes 24SEP @ 12 noon
48 Hour Manual Open Time Window
Opens 26SEP @ 12 noon
Closes 28SEP @ 12 noon
Reserve Swap/Drop Requests Starting 26SEP @ 12 noon
Automated TTOT will reopen 30SEP @ 12 noon
#4857
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
To sum it up for everyone. The letter states,
1. The emj, all bases is avg of 71.90 to 73 credit hrs and 13.5 days off
2. 175 avgs 75.0 credit and 12.61 days off
3. Crj avgs 77.83 credit hrs and 12.0 7 days off
4. For every hr of pay we receive we are away 4.66 hrs.
So go ahead and believe the recruiters on here, that state the packets avg 15-18 days off, and high credit. Or just read facts, and see why we could care less about the bonuses and raises for new hires. Until QOL is fixed, nothing they do will work.
1. The emj, all bases is avg of 71.90 to 73 credit hrs and 13.5 days off
2. 175 avgs 75.0 credit and 12.61 days off
3. Crj avgs 77.83 credit hrs and 12.0 7 days off
4. For every hr of pay we receive we are away 4.66 hrs.
So go ahead and believe the recruiters on here, that state the packets avg 15-18 days off, and high credit. Or just read facts, and see why we could care less about the bonuses and raises for new hires. Until QOL is fixed, nothing they do will work.
Last edited by Smutter; 09-18-2016 at 09:14 AM.
#4859
Banned
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 787
What ole Smutter fails to mention from that email, is that AA has shown willingness to improve schedules..part of which has been a complete flush of the people who were in charge of schedules and replacing them with new ones.
The MEC is extremely positive at this point of massive schedule improvements starting in November. Furthermore, AA has stated they will put as many Envoy turns during the middle of the day as they can as part of this effort.
But go ahead and spin as much negativity as you can lie about. It's much harder to talk crap about Envoy these days..but a cornered animal will resort to anything.
The MEC is extremely positive at this point of massive schedule improvements starting in November. Furthermore, AA has stated they will put as many Envoy turns during the middle of the day as they can as part of this effort.
But go ahead and spin as much negativity as you can lie about. It's much harder to talk crap about Envoy these days..but a cornered animal will resort to anything.
#4860
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
What ole Smutter fails to mention from that email, is that AA has shown willingness to improve schedules..part of which has been a complete flush of the people who were in charge of schedules and replacing them with new ones.
The MEC is extremely positive at this point of massive schedule improvements starting in November. Furthermore, AA has stated they will put as many Envoy turns during the middle of the day as they can as part of this effort.
But go ahead and spin as much negativity as you can lie about. It's much harder to talk crap about Envoy these days..but a cornered animal will resort to anything.
The MEC is extremely positive at this point of massive schedule improvements starting in November. Furthermore, AA has stated they will put as many Envoy turns during the middle of the day as they can as part of this effort.
But go ahead and spin as much negativity as you can lie about. It's much harder to talk crap about Envoy these days..but a cornered animal will resort to anything.
Now get back under Ric's desk he has some facial cream for you.
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