adspilot

Seriously, please just stop talking. No one wants your input, thoughts, concerns, or nonsense. Just put a bandaid on your rectum because you are obviously butt hurt about something.

eaglefly

Yet another self-appointed forum spokesmen lays down the law.

mr25cents

True but at Compass and Mesa FOs are upgrading within 12-24 months, at Envoy you'll be capped after 4 years, no more money unless you upgrade. I'm not recommending Envoy unless the upgrades come down significancy from the current 8 year wait.

eaglefly

Remember that any upgrade engine requires sufficient fuel to run at expected speed. Post #421 hypothesizes 1800 pilots at Envoy and 1600 or so all gone either flow to AA or elsewhere in 4-4.5 years and for that upgrade engine to continue to run without seizing, 1600 pilots must be hired at Envoy in the same period. The plan is to upgrade 205-250 in 2016 at Envoy, meaning the next 18 months the remainder of the F/O's would need to upgrade and Envoy would also have to hire perhaps 800-850 pilots in a burst in that 18 months or the upgrade engine starts backfiring and risks a seize.


Just something to consider.............

adspilot

IS and WAS are two words you need to understand. Upgrade time WAS eight years. Upgrade time IS ___ who the hell knows, but if you say pilots that get hired at Envoy today aren't going to upgrade for 8 years then you are smoking crack.

emb145

Careful my friend. What you've just stated amounts to hate speech in the eyes of the Envoy Elite. Watch out or the Envoy police might be all over you like flies to you know what.

emb145

Upgrade time is only as good as the latest award. That's what upgrade time IS today. Latest award makes the junior Envoy CA around 8 years and a couple of months.

Skyvector

If anyone is seeking information about Envoy, I would strongly caution against listening to people who either:

#1: Have never worked at Envoy

Or

#2: No longer work at Envoy and have an axe to grind.

Not only are they pushing an agenda and feel a need to justify their move, they harbor deep bitter feelings towards a management group that no longer exists post merger with US Airways.

eaglefly and emb145 are but two examples. Not even when I was an officer in the military and had to babysit a squadron did I see so much crap and immaturity be flung around. You give civilian trained pilots a bad name that they don't deserve.

eaglefly

One could also add those who have motives for personal gain at the expense of others, like yourself and other loyal members of the SOS. But, your latest blast is something I agree with and have said so several times, i.e., pilots should decide for THEMSELVES. But clearly, the projected, then "suggested" numbers don't add up and that too is something that should be considered. Apparently, any "agenda" that doesn't serve your needs is immaturity, even when accompanied by facts, like the required number of upgrades and new-hires to meet the projected/suggested claims that are all but unattainable.

As for your background (irrelevant as it is), you claim to have had to "babysit" a WHOLE SQUADRON ? That's not a glowing endorsement of your past situations, by any means. Sounds like a lot of "babies" there.

Is there any possibility that you were part of the problem and not the solution ?

Over on EL, they're talking about "classes of 2", which I assume to be either upgrades or new-hires (god, I hope it's not both). If true, it sounds like the 35/month engine has already stalled.

BobJenkins

Every single pilot who doesn't live in base.