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08-07-2016, 02:38 PM

#4371

go skers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moon

Since we are having a good time with these car metaphors. To me it's a 10000 car. Offered 8000. Countered at 9500. Offered 8500. Say no 9250. Company walks away and steals the car for free and hopes the cops don't catch em.

If we win in arbitration our value is exactly what we claim it is and can demand that going forward with strong leverage and a backstop arbitration win. If we lose our product is nearly worthless and the company doesn't even have to steal it.

08-07-2016, 03:27 PM

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lakehouse

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Originally Posted by go skers

That's how I see it. And let's make it that the wife didn't agree on the price to spite you for not doing the dishes. There have been alot of games going on internally over who thinks what a fair price is. Then the buyer just gives up.

08-07-2016, 03:27 PM

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FlameNSky

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Originally Posted by lakehouse

... person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else...

I guess that analogy would work if what the company offered was a $7500 deal, but to me, it was more of an unreasonable $100 offer. Like all their positions lately, heavily favored them and was full of loopholes they would exploit to our detriment.

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Originally Posted by go skers

How confident are you in arbitration?

Industry standard would still be better than what they were offering. Yeah, I like our chances.

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

The company fully understands when it comes to arbitration that a win for them is a loss for us which ends up being a loss for them in today's environment. Our contract, work rules, pay rates and relationship with management gets worse by the day in light of the current regional market.

This bears repeating. Buzz is looking at the big picture.

08-07-2016, 08:27 PM

#4374

Rob12345

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Thanks for the dialogue on the Reserve issue, good background info..next question, used to be you all were on Reserve forever... Has that changed in recent months? How long are new FO's on Reserve these days?

08-07-2016, 08:30 PM

#4375

daOldMan

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Originally Posted by Rob12345

Three years, tops.

08-07-2016, 10:13 PM

#4376

stbloc

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I just want to know if I were to bid reserve can I spend most my month on my couch or will I get abused?

08-07-2016, 10:57 PM

#4377

PilotJ3

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Originally Posted by Rob12345

Depends on the plane...from 3-8 months in general.

3 in the E175 and about 8 in the Emj.

08-08-2016, 04:13 AM

#4378

adspilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stbloc

I just want to know if I were to bid reserve can I spend most my month on my couch or will I get abused?

You will get used and abused. The days of bidding reserve are passed.

08-08-2016, 05:46 AM

#4379

go skers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stbloc

I just want to know if I were to bid reserve can I spend most my month on my couch or will I get abused?

There was a time last fall and winter where you could predictably plan on only flying 20 hours or less if that was your goal. Those times are likely gone for the foreseeable future. You will fly on most or all of your available days right now

08-08-2016, 08:30 AM

#4380

Centurion

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Here is a realistic snapshot of reserve.

I've been at envoy for almost 10 years. I upgraded two years ago on the E145. I've been on reserve the whole time. I've also have been going down on the reserve list on this aircraft in DFW. The other junior guys got displaced to the E175, which their QOL will be better than mine do to their realitive senority on that aircraft.

Reserve before 117 was, well reserve. The reserve now is horrible and I don't commute that far (I drive). Do to all the dynamics going on I probably won't get off reserve until I "flow" (big if) or I get hired off the street at UAL, DAL, or SWA. Already got an interview for SWA. So if it works out, one more CA seat will open up for a deserving FO.