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07-30-2016, 01:16 PM
#4252
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Secondly, first year pay may surprise you. Envoy has a 15k bonus for new hires. In addition, Envoy is offering an additional 5k bonus for new hires that accept class dates on the Embraer 145 or the CRJ-700.
Realistically, you are looking at greater than 50k on first year pay if you accept a 145 or CRJ class date.
Realistically, you are looking at greater than 50k on first year pay if you accept a 145 or CRJ class date.
Other carriers do have flow programs now. They are essentially copying what Envoy has successfully done. However, they are nowhere near as robust as the Envoy flow is. This should be a big factor in your decision making in coming to Envoy.
07-30-2016, 01:26 PM
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Really? Why would they negotiate anything when they can simply meter to the minimum and withhold the final aircraft that triggers the flow increase? They've found that doing nothing for us costs them exactly that: Nothing! Why waste effort on negotiating anything? Besides, everyone keeps trying to make the rumor they'll kill the flow. It's like the desperately want it to happen so they can be right. Currently the flow is the main reason people come here. The bases are limited, the signing bonus isn't as good as others, and there's very slow upward movement. That leaves the flow as the sole, defining carrot this company has left to attract newhires. If they killed the flow it'd be more likely to trigger other events like a WO merger and a renegotiated flow.
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07-30-2016, 03:20 PM
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07-30-2016, 09:05 PM
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You love the fact that we have TWO domiciles, down from SEVEN before the mgmt decided to shred this company and throw a thousand pilots away... that's a good thing in your eyes?
07-30-2016, 09:17 PM
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And the most important fact of all. If hired at Envoy, you will have a no interview, no medical flow through to American Airlines. Right now, this is projected for a new hire at the 6 year mark. You don't have to put all your apps out to multiple carriers and prepare for interviews, spending lots of your time and money trying to get hired. You will be guaranteed a job at American.
How do you sleep at night?
07-31-2016, 03:20 AM
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07-31-2016, 06:56 AM
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More bases would be ideal, absolutely. But if we're going to only have two, I'm glad they are in major cities, one of which is affordable. I have no control over how many bases there are here, I merely picked an airline that had desirable bases for my circumstances (in addition to other factors). In my life, those two cities are desirable. Better, for me than PSA, Piedmont, and some others. Maybe new hires will agree, and come here for that reason; if Envoy advertises that, great - I love having new hires. I would assume we all do. Just an opinion is all.
07-31-2016, 07:18 AM
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Why do you love having new-hires? So mgmt can get their bonuses? You're assumption is wrong. If the smart ones would just stay away and not come to this crap-hole to be on reserve for YEARS (then get the absolute worst schedules in the industry when they finally can hold a line) and wait for a 6-8 year upgrade and a fantasy flow to AA.... then maybe, just maybe mgmt might want to improve our conditions.
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