wiz5422

The reformatting is bad, it is not user friendly and hard to look at and navigate. It looks so second rate now. Hope they know if they don't change it they are going to lose a lot of subscribers. I like using it, but not it is to much work just to read what is new and to navigate to the most recent post. Not worth my time and money anymore. Thanks Skytow for forcing me out of the forum world, much appreciated.

Eaglepilot84

Dude get a life. Your entire perception of envoy comes from a website full of pilots who will beotch about anything and everything. Eaglelounge/Envoylounge whatever they want to call it today, is an extremely poor representation of the 1800'ish pilots. Maybe you would know that if you still worked here. I would think you should since you claim to have spent nearly two decades here.

eaglefly

Well, I have to agree with you on that. Reminds me of Coca-Cola changing a recipe that wasn't broken. It's human nature to resist sudden change as well.

eaglefly

Partially true, you ironically are a perfect example of your point. The only difference being the things you beotch about, that being anyone who upsets your warped view of Envoy reality.

Actually, I find it quite accurate when compared to the present Envoy pilots I talk to in passing and those that have recently left. I DO understand that doesn't serve your interests well though, dude.

Eaglepilot84

My warped view of envoy? I have as clear a view as any. Especially as a reserve Captain. With all due respect I would take my "warped" view and opinions over yours any day.

So you're getting all your info second and third hand from current (most likely lifer) pilots and eagle lounge?! Wow you're such a great and reliable source!!

Hate to break it to you, but I have no agenda. When I leave this place in about 2 years I don't plan on looking back at all. While I'm here, however, I will defend the truth about what it's like over here to keep liars such as yourself from spouting off trash. You're the self proclaimed "scope 2020" salesman so it makes sense that your "interests" lie in keeping potential new-hires away from envoy by spewing out lies. Keepin' it classy as alway!

ag386

It certainly calls into question the decision making ability of future and current Envoy Captains who are so blind to the situation they are in.

Hopefully, this ability to see through rose colored glasses doesn't extend to the cockpit where an Envoy crew who believes that the flow after the 824 is "rock solid" doesn't see through the same rose colored glasses when a true emergency arises.

Eaglepilot84

Ahhhh Hahahaha did you (as an FO who has never been Captain and who "supposedly" went to an airline with one of the worst safety reputations in the country) just question my decision making skills as a Captain because I look at my career as a marathon and not a sprint? Or question them because I choose to highlight both the pluses and minuses of envoy (as a current employee) rather then bash it like our former employees do? That's rich. Real rich. Try again.

eaglefly

Your version of the truth doesn't jibe with almost all of the Envoy pilots I talk to. Virtually all of them are focused on the exit door. AFAIC, you post here a dozen times a day BECAUSE you want as many new-hires to come to Envoy regardless of how most feel about it there because you are concerned with ensuring your OWN exit ASAP, period.

Truth and altruism are nowhere to be found. Before you discharge more gas here claiming X and Y, spare yourself the trouble as nothing you say will change my opinion and my old "Scope salesman" moniker has nothing to do with Envoy and I explained that in the past. It's related to my present "Independent Contractor" badge, both of which are obviously WAY over your head.

eaglefly

Some aren't blind at all. They know the situation and that is the foundation of building the base of the pyramid for without that, they are terrified they'll never get skimmed off its point by AA. It's simply self-interest via the concept of "do unto others and then split".

Especially those who see themselves running a marathon.

Virtually none of these guys truly give a hoot about Envoy............not really. Caring about oneself and a Envoy's future are two separate concepts, but some muddy that up because it serves their interim goals while at Envoy.

Eaglepilot84

Oh wow now you're an "independent contractor"?! You really are a jack of all trades, master of none.

I've never denied that I'm waiting and looking forward to the exit. That's why I'm here! There is only a small percentage of pilots who are making this place home (likely many of your former brethren and even more likely the same ones who you get all your inside info from).

I'm sorry my version doesn't jibe with "almost all of the Envoy pilots" you talk to. Do you get how rediculous that sounds from the outside looking in? I've never given anything less then an unbiased opinion of envoy, for better or worse. I'll tell you the good parts and I'll tell you the bad parts. I'll tell you my thoughts on the flow and I'll also tell you it's the reason I'm still here now and why I won't be in roughly 2 years. I'll tell you if you're looking at your career as a marathon and want to end up at AA, this is a good place to start. Especially if you live near ORD or DFW. Is everything rock solid and guaranteed to work as advertised? ABSOLUTLY NOT. I've never claimed that and never will. But it's a pretty damn good card to have in your pocket, especially when you're just starting out your career.

So yes, I would love new-hires to come here in even greater quantities then currently are. From what I understand, we're trending higher in new-hire numbers but still not where we need to be. From speaking with people who are a lot more in the know then I am (both management and union) this will NOT affect our flow numbers. I beleive it won't, based on the current business plan of envoy. Whether or not others do too is up to them, I'm just giving the opinion of someone who actually works here, myself.

As for "posting a dozen times a day" I'm not even going to dignify myself with a response to that one, especially coming from you, eaglefly! I guess some perpetual liars just never know when to stop.