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11-30-2015, 06:52 PM
#382
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That is snake oil, plain and simple.
We aren't waiting to flow to AA just to then turn around and start trying to bash Envoy at every opportunity. Despite what the keyboard warriors will have you believe, moral is extremely high at Envoy right now. 90%+ of our Captains are within a year to a year and a half of flowing to AA. Most FOs are within 2 to 4 years from flowing with an upgrade to CA in between.
Good lord.
The pay and treatment will still remian crap though, but starving dogs consider even rotten meat palatable.
Bottom line: things are going very well at Envoy and MOST people in REAL LIFE are very happy and enjoying life. The disgruntled internet tough guys bum rush these forums to paint a different picture...including people who no longer work here. Doesn't change a thing....all it does is create a face palm moment for us when we read the diatribe. But it doesn't change reality and it doesn't ruin our day one bit.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Good luck.
11-30-2015, 06:59 PM
#383
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Posts: 8,350
I've yet to hear a viable argument in rebuttal to that from the usual suspects here. I hear a lot of deflection like personal attacks, but nothing truly viable.
12-01-2015, 04:32 AM
#385
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
He's a one-trick pony and keeps saying it like some kind of revelation. He's like that guy that manages to hang out in your group of friends that keeps telling the same stories over and over and is oblivious to the fact that everybody's sick of his sh it.
12-01-2015, 06:50 AM
#386
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Posts: 8,350
Now I'm the snake-oil salesmen ?
LOL !
You have an uncanny knack for twisting your behavior into claiming it is others doing it. One only needs to review multiple threads to note you and other Envoy pilots here actively selling the 2.5/6 myth. I suppose it appears now when you can no longer refute the gross unlikelihood of upgrading 3/4 of Envoy's F/O's between 2017 and mid-2018 (upwards of perhaps 750 pilots) and the concurrent requirement to hire that many to maintain Envoy's present approximate 2100 pilot count to prevent contraction and upgrade slowing, you now no longer make that statement and then strawman that into you NEVER having made it.
I guess that is just another demonstration of the serpentine movement snakes are known for.
LOL !
You have an uncanny knack for twisting your behavior into claiming it is others doing it. One only needs to review multiple threads to note you and other Envoy pilots here actively selling the 2.5/6 myth. I suppose it appears now when you can no longer refute the gross unlikelihood of upgrading 3/4 of Envoy's F/O's between 2017 and mid-2018 (upwards of perhaps 750 pilots) and the concurrent requirement to hire that many to maintain Envoy's present approximate 2100 pilot count to prevent contraction and upgrade slowing, you now no longer make that statement and then strawman that into you NEVER having made it.
I guess that is just another demonstration of the serpentine movement snakes are known for.
12-01-2015, 06:55 AM
#387
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Posts: 8,350
Nah.............probably not.
12-01-2015, 07:07 AM
#388
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,368
Your rage is the fact my "story" is not one of fiction. Had you and others not made so massive an effort to sell Envoy (a tactic now all but effectively lost), I wouldn't be one this thread very often. I'd like to hope we have detente now that it's a fact that Envoy's upgrade projections.........oh, I'm sorry, "suggestions" are wholly unrealistic which is a major engine that will drive the flow in the future and your further shameless sales efforts will cease.
Nah.............probably not.
Nah.............probably not.
Other than screwing your previous colleagues.
12-01-2015, 07:32 AM
#389
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Your rage is the fact my "story" is not one of fiction. Had you and others not made so massive an effort to sell Envoy (a tactic now all but effectively lost), I wouldn't be one this thread very often. I'd like to hope we have detente now that it's a fact that Envoy's upgrade projections.........oh, I'm sorry, "suggestions" are wholly unrealistic which is a major engine that will drive the flow in the future and your further shameless sales efforts will cease.
Nah.............probably not.
Nah.............probably not.
Rage? I don't have time for rage when it come to forum trolls. Disappointment? Sure... Sad that I have to filter through so much junk to see whatever good information or insights might be made.
You're a one man army, judge and jury. You create the fight on your own, judge it, make a verdict and win the war all on your own. Winner every time. Go figure.
12-01-2015, 08:15 AM
#390
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 238
Are you really that dense? I lost 60 guys below me on the E145 because they are going to the E175....not because they left the company.
Wow...just wow.
Of course I expect nothing less from someone who gladly paid for his own hotel during training while only making $37/hour. Did you kiss Frontier's management's feet everyday and thank them for the honor of letting you work for them? Who's drinking the Kool-Aid now?
Wow...just wow.
Of course I expect nothing less from someone who gladly paid for his own hotel during training while only making $37/hour. Did you kiss Frontier's management's feet everyday and thank them for the honor of letting you work for them? Who's drinking the Kool-Aid now?
Which is what you may be in 11 years when you get close to flowing. So which is it? Are you a management plant, or just some poor dense Riddle sap who believes everything management tells you?
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