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06-11-2016, 02:45 PM
#3271
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 259
Look anyone that could jump ships realistically has. The rest are just trying to get out. Most left at Envoy will not be able to make a lateral move.
Not much you can do, but being honest about the treatment pilots clearly can't hurt. There is a reason management can't get new hires to come. Some of its money, quite a bit of it is treatment and QOL issues.
It is not your job as a line pilot to get bodies in the door. IMO you guys have had to endure the worst treatment I have ever heard. In this day and age when the pilots are the currency there is no reason to be treated as such.
The inability to get new hires through the doors speaks volumes. The less that show up the sooner you all might see some positive changes. From my observation Envoy won't change anything until the pain is too great. Once they get to that point all you can hope is they clean house and replace those that enjoy making your lives miserable.
Either way you very well may be able to help someone take a different path that may hold a better working environment or QOL than what you can't leave from now due to not being able to start over at 1st year pay and sitting reserve.
Having said that, it is hard to not be a jerk when someone claims I am somone else or making an account from several different screen names.
I have read this forum for many many years, and reading about an email sent out from some coffee nazi pushed me over the edge. Never felt the need to post here but truly this garbage is getting out of control at Envoy.
I've seen mall cops get treated better than the pilots at Envoy.
Not much you can do, but being honest about the treatment pilots clearly can't hurt. There is a reason management can't get new hires to come. Some of its money, quite a bit of it is treatment and QOL issues.
It is not your job as a line pilot to get bodies in the door. IMO you guys have had to endure the worst treatment I have ever heard. In this day and age when the pilots are the currency there is no reason to be treated as such.
The inability to get new hires through the doors speaks volumes. The less that show up the sooner you all might see some positive changes. From my observation Envoy won't change anything until the pain is too great. Once they get to that point all you can hope is they clean house and replace those that enjoy making your lives miserable.
Either way you very well may be able to help someone take a different path that may hold a better working environment or QOL than what you can't leave from now due to not being able to start over at 1st year pay and sitting reserve.
Having said that, it is hard to not be a jerk when someone claims I am somone else or making an account from several different screen names.
I have read this forum for many many years, and reading about an email sent out from some coffee nazi pushed me over the edge. Never felt the need to post here but truly this garbage is getting out of control at Envoy.
I've seen mall cops get treated better than the pilots at Envoy.
06-11-2016, 03:31 PM
#3272
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
The only thing I see is from a few post back. One that stated the company will now be going after flight crews for doing such.
If you find this acceptable that is fine I have no beef with that. Me personaly I see it as yet another way this management has absolutely nothing better to do than go after crews for the dumbest garbage.
So please educate me on this policy as the original poster did not clarify all the rules regarding this policy? Does this mean a Captain is not to be trusted to check their schedule or print out his or her own release at the gate if they have a cup of coffee with them? Are they required to take said coffee down to the aircraft place it on the flight deck unattended then go back up to the gate?
In all reality again in just my opinion, this just shows how inept management at Envoy is. Clearly food and beverage at the gate could be an issue if passengers and gate agents turn the gate into a dinner table and thus a policy needs to be in place. But a flight crew passing through waiting to get to their aircraft or doing a few task at the terminal before boarding needs to worry about making extra trips down the jet bridge or find someone to attend to said coffee is retarted.
About as dumb as TSA confiscating a flight crew members lighter going through security. But going off you rationalization I would assume you are in favor of all airline employees going through regular screening at TSA. No liquids above a certain amount as that is their policy correct?
Seriously this looks like just a bunch of lemmings running this place. The policy says this so do it or else. You are not allowed to think for yourself and wear your big boy pants once at work. The fact that management would send an email out regarding this issue says it all to me.
But seriously if they sent out a company email bringing this issue up your a fool to think they will l not discipline someone failing to toe the line here.
If you find this acceptable that is fine I have no beef with that. Me personaly I see it as yet another way this management has absolutely nothing better to do than go after crews for the dumbest garbage.
So please educate me on this policy as the original poster did not clarify all the rules regarding this policy? Does this mean a Captain is not to be trusted to check their schedule or print out his or her own release at the gate if they have a cup of coffee with them? Are they required to take said coffee down to the aircraft place it on the flight deck unattended then go back up to the gate?
In all reality again in just my opinion, this just shows how inept management at Envoy is. Clearly food and beverage at the gate could be an issue if passengers and gate agents turn the gate into a dinner table and thus a policy needs to be in place. But a flight crew passing through waiting to get to their aircraft or doing a few task at the terminal before boarding needs to worry about making extra trips down the jet bridge or find someone to attend to said coffee is retarted.
About as dumb as TSA confiscating a flight crew members lighter going through security. But going off you rationalization I would assume you are in favor of all airline employees going through regular screening at TSA. No liquids above a certain amount as that is their policy correct?
Seriously this looks like just a bunch of lemmings running this place. The policy says this so do it or else. You are not allowed to think for yourself and wear your big boy pants once at work. The fact that management would send an email out regarding this issue says it all to me.
But seriously if they sent out a company email bringing this issue up your a fool to think they will l not discipline someone failing to toe the line here.
Some sloppy idiot probably spilled a turbo large coke into a gate computer and was likely a jerk on top of that. So they said something.
Be reasonably professional and you will have no problems. Dont sit at the gate counter with a plate of spaghetti slopping it into your face. Who cares anyway. Nobody is going to get fired over setting a coffee cup down while u pick up the release. Jeez.. Just ignore it and go on with your life like everyone does. If I wanna have a cup in the airport I will have one. No big deal. Not too worried about it. Never even think about it again probably.
06-11-2016, 04:03 PM
#3274
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 194
Why does everything get so blown out of proportion. It was an email from the office secretary saying don't have food and drinks if you are using the computers.
Some sloppy idiot probably spilled a turbo large coke into a gate computer and was likely a jerk on top of that. So they said something.
Be reasonably professional and you will have no problems. Dont sit at the gate counter with a plate of spaghetti slopping it into your face. Who cares anyway. Nobody is going to get fired over setting a coffee cup down while u pick up the release. Jeez.. Just ignore it and go on with your life like everyone does. If I wanna have a cup in the airport I will have one. No big deal. Not too worried about it. Never even think about it again probably.
Some sloppy idiot probably spilled a turbo large coke into a gate computer and was likely a jerk on top of that. So they said something.
Be reasonably professional and you will have no problems. Dont sit at the gate counter with a plate of spaghetti slopping it into your face. Who cares anyway. Nobody is going to get fired over setting a coffee cup down while u pick up the release. Jeez.. Just ignore it and go on with your life like everyone does. If I wanna have a cup in the airport I will have one. No big deal. Not too worried about it. Never even think about it again probably.
06-11-2016, 04:32 PM
#3275
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 354
For sure man. This whole talk the other day about raising pay was a joke. For now I am enjoying the 175 but we need more bodies in the door if not this is a train that is going to run out of tracks here soon. How do we get more bodies? raised the f-pay. They do that the flow will work.
06-11-2016, 04:38 PM
#3276
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Serious question for new hires.
Why are you guys coming here? Is it because things haven't worked out elsewhere?
No one else will hire you?
Just need to get current to get on with a major?
Just curious, I can't see how we get one person through the door, hell I don't know how we even get apps.
Besides PSA I would choose every other regional over envoy.
We are in the bottom three on compensation, treated horribly, two bases mostly undesirable to many.
One of, if not the longest upgrade times.
Attrition is higher then new hires, (not good).
Why are you guys coming here? Is it because things haven't worked out elsewhere?
No one else will hire you?
Just need to get current to get on with a major?
Just curious, I can't see how we get one person through the door, hell I don't know how we even get apps.
Besides PSA I would choose every other regional over envoy.
We are in the bottom three on compensation, treated horribly, two bases mostly undesirable to many.
One of, if not the longest upgrade times.
Attrition is higher then new hires, (not good).
06-11-2016, 04:52 PM
#3277
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 176
Serious question for new hires.
Why are you guys coming here? Is it because things haven't worked out elsewhere?
No one else will hire you?
Just need to get current to get on with a major?
Just curious, I can't see how we get one person through the door, hell I don't know how we even get apps.
Besides PSA I would choose every other regional over envoy.
We are in the bottom three on compensation, treated horribly, two bases mostly undesirable to many.
One of, if not the longest upgrade times.
Attrition is higher then new hires, (not good).
Why are you guys coming here? Is it because things haven't worked out elsewhere?
No one else will hire you?
Just need to get current to get on with a major?
Just curious, I can't see how we get one person through the door, hell I don't know how we even get apps.
Besides PSA I would choose every other regional over envoy.
We are in the bottom three on compensation, treated horribly, two bases mostly undesirable to many.
One of, if not the longest upgrade times.
Attrition is higher then new hires, (not good).
06-11-2016, 05:26 PM
#3278
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 31
Not really sure if there was any question that was asked or needed to be answered.
Seeing how you need to be entertained and impressed, let me give you this tiny bit of information. If you place two apples in a bucket and then place 3 more apples in that same bucket, providing you leave all those apples in said bucket, there would be a total of 5 apples. I know crazy, but really, try it. Go get yourself a bucket and round up some apples then place them in the bucket as I said. Crazy stuff too, it won't even matter if they are red or green apples, still works the same.
That should keep you impressed and busy for at least a week. But after you have gotten that down you come back here and we can then work on colors. Colors will blow your mind.
Until then let the adults talk here.
Seeing how you need to be entertained and impressed, let me give you this tiny bit of information. If you place two apples in a bucket and then place 3 more apples in that same bucket, providing you leave all those apples in said bucket, there would be a total of 5 apples. I know crazy, but really, try it. Go get yourself a bucket and round up some apples then place them in the bucket as I said. Crazy stuff too, it won't even matter if they are red or green apples, still works the same.
That should keep you impressed and busy for at least a week. But after you have gotten that down you come back here and we can then work on colors. Colors will blow your mind.
Until then let the adults talk here.
06-11-2016, 05:54 PM
#3279
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 31
You go to Envoy with the hopes of future promises your asking for trouble. They have no clue whatsoever what their future is. Their CEO has to beg for scraps from AAG.
Normaly it would make sense to plan long term with something like a decent flow, but going to Envoy now you gamble to much with current pay quality of life issues. You are essentialy paying Envoy directly out of your pocket right now with a hope of a flow. Your paying them with a crappy quality of life with only two bases, sitting on reserve forever, constant contract violations, ridiculous upgrade times, being treated less than human and well you get the idea.
To tell you how silly this hope of flow is look at it this way. If you were a pilot making 60000.00 a year and the company came to you and said we want you to take a paycut down to 45000.00 a year and you will obtain this flow language. If it does not work the way we say you still keep the paycut and you have no recourse against us even if it does not work, as we will not put in any protections at all for the pilot group. Would you sign in the dotted line?
Granted my numbers are just random numbers and I have not actually done the math to see how close that is, but I think you get the idea.
That does not include the added language that they will violate the contract any time they see fit, will create an environment that is abusive to the pilots and to add it all up coffee nazis lol.
Seriously how in the heck do they even get one or two bodies in class?
06-11-2016, 06:10 PM
#3280
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 259
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