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05-06-2016, 06:44 AM

#2691

Buzzlightyear

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Managements new estimates are now down to 200 flows from 360. It's my belief that we will be lucky to get 180. This shows the fragility of projections and that trust is still a major issue between envoy pilots and management.

05-06-2016, 06:45 AM

#2692

ag386

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Originally Posted by N927EV

Very compelling statement.

Just blindly believing in 2.5/6 is compelling? Hiring single digits monthly while flowing up to 30 in perpetuity is good evidence that things aren't the rosy picture management portrays to you. Something has to give eventually.

05-06-2016, 06:49 AM

#2693

Bigpimppilot

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What does ch700 have to say about this?

05-06-2016, 07:10 AM

#2694

RyanP

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

I think everyone knew 2016 would have a slow down due to recalls over the summer and the May 6th deadline for them.

Upgrade projection for 2016 is actually up for the year from 200 to 224 now. According to Ric Wilson yesterday.

05-06-2016, 07:14 AM

#2695

N927EV

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Originally Posted by ag386

How's allegiant these days? Didn't you say there was life after envoy??

05-06-2016, 08:05 AM

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SkyWago

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Originally Posted by ag386

Are you changing your mind and not carrying the company's water anymore?

I have had the same opinion of RW for a long time now.

05-06-2016, 08:10 AM

#2697

SkyWago

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

Hard to say, i would have rather them start with a conservative number and exceed it then back away.

Could still be close to 300 not knowing the amount of recalls and the fact the othersare starting to get into a position to meter as well.

05-06-2016, 08:33 AM

#2698

Buzzlightyear

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Originally Posted by RyanP

I speak for many here when I ask where are the vacancies to support this? I am tired as many others are of rosy projections. My concern is that he says 224 but we get 112, half just like his flow prediction.

I can say I'm projecting to earn $350k this year but we all know as an envoy pilot that isn't likely.

05-06-2016, 08:38 AM

#2699

Buzzlightyear

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Originally Posted by SkyWago

It's 10ish a month May-Jul. Even if we did 30 a month Aug-Nov we end up at 240, not close to 300. 240 is the new best case scenario and things coming out of AA recruitment have been not stellar concerning 2016 hiring. Things are slowing down for 2016 not ramping up. We'll be lucky to hit 180 this year.