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My best estimate for 2016 from their information is they will hire 750 next year. We get 375. They estimate 100-150 furloughs may return. That leaves a worst case next year of 225 flowing. This is 5 more than what's required to prevent stepping up above pay step 12. It also jives with their advertisement of at least 200 upgrades next year.
2017 should be another 375 to flow, but no more recalls; but I bet they will withhold to 30 each month - 360 for the year - and just have to catch up in the aggregate.
That's 600 of our CA's gone in two years by flow to AA. Doesn't include the guys going elsewhere.
It's fair to say we are on track for their 2.5/6 to be a really good estimate.
2017 should be another 375 to flow, but no more recalls; but I bet they will withhold to 30 each month - 360 for the year - and just have to catch up in the aggregate.
That's 600 of our CA's gone in two years by flow to AA. Doesn't include the guys going elsewhere.
It's fair to say we are on track for their 2.5/6 to be a really good estimate.
Why don't you ask those two why they have been lying?
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Mesa or Envoy. Either are like taking a poison pill. At Mesa at least you'll be building TPIC more quickly. At Envoy you'll be right seat for much longer in addition to likely being on property for 10 years or more before coming close to "flowing." New hires are required to keep the Ponzi scheme flow going. Right now they will tout they are getting 30 or better per month which is still slightly short of what they need. But it's temporary. By June the new hire classes will start to gradually dwindle down to 15 a month again.
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Mesa or Envoy. Either are like taking a poison pill. At Mesa at least you'll be building TPIC more quickly. At Envoy you'll be right seat for much longer in addition to likely being on property for 10 years or more before coming close to "flowing." New hires are required to keep the Ponzi scheme flow going. Right now they will tout they are getting 30 or better per month which is still slightly short of what they need. But it's temporary. By June the new hire classes will start to gradually dwindle down to 15 a month again.
Btw, I laugh when I think about your poor career decisions and then laugh harder when you come on here and try to give career advise to others. Hilarious!
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