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04-18-2016, 02:37 PM
#2394
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Bus drivins’ harder on ur head than on ur feet
Posts: 96
20/120 CRJ lines are 11 days off. If you take the lack of commutability into consideration, your true days off drops. I picked a random line of the 11 day off lines, and three of the four day trips are early starts, requiring a commuter to fly in the night before. Take away .5 of a day off for each trip and you're looking at 9.5 True Days Off per month. A random 13 day off line, three trips finishing late, bringing that one down to 11.5 TDO. Now a random 15 day off line. Five trips either start too early or finish too late! You're swapping your body clock all month! Subtract 2.5 and that is 12.5 TDO. The lack of commutability is killing these schedules, and it doesn't seem to correlate with seniority much, either. That 15 day off line is a three day trip line, one typically bid by the most senior pilots.
One more addition - the CRJ lines are typically better than the EMJ lines.
One more addition - the CRJ lines are typically better than the EMJ lines.
04-18-2016, 02:40 PM
#2395
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Let me guess... envoy is your first "real" job. You have never served fries, mopped floors or any other crappy labor job. Take it from someone who has many crappy jobs that paid for his own college and flight training. Half the crappy stuff that goes on at envoy goes on a most companies. If you think the grass is greener, I encourage you to jump the fence and give it a try.
Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions before opening your mouth. I have been to "other" pastures, junior. I know how bad it can be. But last I checked this is the Envoy thread. So if you don't like me spouting the truth, then maybe you can go complain to Papa Parker and get him to start playing nice to the hard working Envoy pilots. Until then, enjoy your empty promises like always. I've been paying my school loans for years before I ever came to Eagle. You can go wank yourself next to a 787 for all I care.
04-18-2016, 03:50 PM
#2396
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
20/120 CRJ lines are 11 days off. If you take the lack of commutability into consideration, your true days off drops. I picked a random line of the 11 day off lines, and three of the four day trips are early starts, requiring a commuter to fly in the night before. Take away .5 of a day off for each trip and you're looking at 9.5 True Days Off per month. A random 13 day off line, three trips finishing late, bringing that one down to 11.5 TDO. Now a random 15 day off line. Five trips either start too early or finish too late! You're swapping your body clock all month! Subtract 2.5 and that is 12.5 TDO. The lack of commutability is killing these schedules, and it doesn't seem to correlate with seniority much, either. That 15 day off line is a three day trip line, one typically bid by the most senior pilots.
One more addition - the CRJ lines are typically better than the EMJ lines.
One more addition - the CRJ lines are typically better than the EMJ lines.
I have some contacts at a few other regionals and am making a bid comparison for the month of May.
I can tell you, the guy that said it goes on everywhere else is full of it. Just from eyeballing it, we have the worst quality of life lines out there. These are the facts. The flow might happen, but these are the facts of life.
04-18-2016, 04:30 PM
#2397
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Qol sucks here. Hotels are the worst I've ever seen. The hotels remind of places you drove by as a kid and would ask your parents about, they would just say don't go there. Oh, back to the lines, I don't think they could get worse.
I use to say, how do people go to Mesa when we have forums like this telling them how bad it is, now I wonder why people would go to envoy when we have forums like this.
Please for your sanity, don't come here. Many better choices. Envoy mang. Cannot blame this on AAG, we have enough things in place to be an OK Regional, but unfortunately Pedro and Dic are in positions way above their education. These two should be at best in positions of no descion making.
I use to say, how do people go to Mesa when we have forums like this telling them how bad it is, now I wonder why people would go to envoy when we have forums like this.
Please for your sanity, don't come here. Many better choices. Envoy mang. Cannot blame this on AAG, we have enough things in place to be an OK Regional, but unfortunately Pedro and Dic are in positions way above their education. These two should be at best in positions of no descion making.
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