FirstClass

Maybe you should examine the reason you came into such good fortune. I'll give you a hint. It's your moronic company appeasement ideals.

highflyer1980

I didn't say it was just Envoy. But what Mr. Company Man indicated is that Envoy is "the" airline and selling that Envoy crap don't stink. That is completely false. They have beaten us down and twisted us sideways just to get a fleet plan. Now after that we continue to be harassed, threatened, and have our collectively bargained contract, black and white legal document, abused by company men like himself and his superiors. That is my point. He is using tactics just like the men and women are using in recruiting.

Tell only the good. Never say the bad. It's all roses. You all are crazy and should be fired.

FlameNSky

Let me guess... envoy is your first "real" job. You have never served fries, mopped floors or any other crappy labor job. Take it from someone who has many crappy jobs that paid for his own college and flight training. Half the crappy stuff that goes on at envoy goes on a most companies. If you think the grass is greener, I encourage you to jump the fence and give it a try.

272922

Start that decertification drive yet?

Put up or shut up.

adspilot

Go back to your PSA thread.

Jersdawg

Don't try to justify the BS that goes on at this company.

Inclined plane

Once holding a line do the days off stay at 11? How long till one can hold 12-14 off?


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FlameNSky

I don't see many 11 day off hard lines. 12 or 13 are more common. 14 is probably average. Like any seniority based system, as you seniority improves, so do the quality of the line you can hold. I would plan on being on reserve between 6 to 12 months.

FirstClass

I own you and this thread so watch yourself.

Jersdawg

20/120 CRJ lines are 11 days off. If you take the lack of commutability into consideration, your true days off drops. I picked a random line of the 11 day off lines, and three of the four day trips are early starts, requiring a commuter to fly in the night before. Take away .5 of a day off for each trip and you're looking at 9.5 True Days Off per month. A random 13 day off line, three trips finishing late, bringing that one down to 11.5 TDO. Now a random 15 day off line. Five trips either start too early or finish too late! You're swapping your body clock all month! Subtract 2.5 and that is 12.5 TDO. The lack of commutability is killing these schedules, and it doesn't seem to correlate with seniority much, either. That 15 day off line is a three day trip line, one typically bid by the most senior pilots.

One more addition - the CRJ lines are typically better than the EMJ lines.