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04-16-2016, 07:06 PM
#2333
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
This got my attention recently because I flew with a 5 year FO who was leaving for Spirit.
I asked him why and he named off a litany of things, all negative. Some people will always be negative and I spent some time with him trying to show how much he had to lose over his career by comparing all the benefits he had by staying here.
My point was essentially, you have no more than 2 to 3 years absolute max before flowing and you are throwing an AA career away for Spirit? Spirit's pay is horrible and you would then just be another applicant off the street begging to get hired at any legacy. And what have you accomplished? You are basically at the Mesa of LCCs.
It blows my mind but again, there will always be people like yourself who see nothing but the negative in anything here and refuse to adjust your attitude. If I had to guess, you are probably some old turboprop driver who got hired at Chapparal or something like that and lucked out when Eagle bought your company. You're probably a lifer here because your resume would go directly to the round file if you were actually trying to get hired here today.
I asked him why and he named off a litany of things, all negative. Some people will always be negative and I spent some time with him trying to show how much he had to lose over his career by comparing all the benefits he had by staying here.
My point was essentially, you have no more than 2 to 3 years absolute max before flowing and you are throwing an AA career away for Spirit? Spirit's pay is horrible and you would then just be another applicant off the street begging to get hired at any legacy. And what have you accomplished? You are basically at the Mesa of LCCs.
It blows my mind but again, there will always be people like yourself who see nothing but the negative in anything here and refuse to adjust your attitude. If I had to guess, you are probably some old turboprop driver who got hired at Chapparal or something like that and lucked out when Eagle bought your company. You're probably a lifer here because your resume would go directly to the round file if you were actually trying to get hired here today.
04-17-2016, 07:03 AM
#2336
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
This right here ^^^.
It's been said over and over. There are too many holes in the numbers we're fed. Too many points of failure. I still think the flow can work, but the lack of new hires and metering are signs of trouble already. The returning T pilots have given ENY management a reprieve by slowing the departing flows and allowing them to bank more new hires, then the holidays will give them a little more staffing wiggle room as the training center slows down. Unless the new hire issue resolves itself, 2017 is going to be interesting.
04-17-2016, 07:58 AM
#2337
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,600
This right here ^^^.
It's been said over and over. There are too many holes in the numbers we're fed. Too many points of failure. I still think the flow can work, but the lack of new hires and metering are signs of trouble already. The returning T pilots have given ENY management a reprieve by slowing the departing flows and allowing them to bank more new hires, then the holidays will give them a little more staffing wiggle room as the training center slows down. Unless the new hire issue resolves itself, 2017 is going to be interesting.
It's been said over and over. There are too many holes in the numbers we're fed. Too many points of failure. I still think the flow can work, but the lack of new hires and metering are signs of trouble already. The returning T pilots have given ENY management a reprieve by slowing the departing flows and allowing them to bank more new hires, then the holidays will give them a little more staffing wiggle room as the training center slows down. Unless the new hire issue resolves itself, 2017 is going to be interesting.
04-17-2016, 08:07 AM
#2338
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,364
Once they are done with us, rinse and repeat. They will only do as much to bring people need it fill their needs.
PSA CEO said it on the townhall, they will wait to see if it works the latest bonus and if not something else will be done.
04-17-2016, 08:14 AM
#2339
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,600
They need to fill the gap RAH is leaving with the BK. That's why you can see an extra effort to bring more people into envoy, than PDT/PSA. You know the same thing happened 2 yrs ago with PSA.
Once they are done with us, rinse and repeat. They will only do as much to bring people need it fill their needs.
PSA CEO said it on the townhall, they will wait to see if it works the latest bonus and if not something else will be done.
Once they are done with us, rinse and repeat. They will only do as much to bring people need it fill their needs.
PSA CEO said it on the townhall, they will wait to see if it works the latest bonus and if not something else will be done.
04-17-2016, 08:24 AM
#2340
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
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Because when AAG cracks the whip the WO's say "Yes Sir!" We are controllable and transparent. The other alter-Eagles might say they can take the flying, but as we've seen, they can't always deliver on those promises for various reasons.
If you can't get the job done right...
If you can't get the job done right...
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