New Envoy Information
#1871
“Protected Pilots” Hired By Envoy On or Before October 11, 2011
The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03 and 12-04 (“Protected Pilots”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below:
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 15 per month (subject to the 35%), shall go to Envoy pilots.
Pilots Hired After DOS
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy master seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03 and 12-04 (“Protected Pilots”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below:
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 15 per month (subject to the 35%), shall go to Envoy pilots.
Pilots Hired After DOS
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy master seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
#1873
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 540
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
#1874
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,371
Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
You clearly don't know anything about envoy, just another troll.
#1875
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 540
Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
#1876
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
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Posts: 771
Immediate response from the Envoy Patrol. On guard constantly protecting their carrier that does so much for them.
Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
#1877
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,371
#1878
Envoy is no longer overstaffed. Zero time and part time lines are gone, critical coverage was declared all month for DFW FO's, TDY's in effect in April, CDO's are back, line values are back above guarantee and RSV numbers are dwindling.
#1879
Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
#1880
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,371
Also Ord is short on CAs. It will be an interesting year.
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