New Envoy Information
03-14-2016, 10:08 AM
#1811
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I find it kinda funny that we have two people who don't even work here anymore so concerned about our future!
Things haven't been great here for the past few years, but good things are finally coming to those of us who have stuck it out. Things will NEVER be perfect here, but it sure as heck is a lot better here then some other regional carriers. On top of that, not having to stress about job fairs, applications, and interviews is priceless...that's another job in itself.
Things haven't been great here for the past few years, but good things are finally coming to those of us who have stuck it out. Things will NEVER be perfect here, but it sure as heck is a lot better here then some other regional carriers. On top of that, not having to stress about job fairs, applications, and interviews is priceless...that's another job in itself.
I guess when you're bankrupt of anything else, it's the only thing left to do ?
Carry on.............just like I predicted would occur in a previous post.
03-14-2016, 10:14 AM
#1812
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The new street class is reported to have a mind-numbing stampede of...........................4 pilots.
Yes, that WAS gleaned from EL, but good news alone will not solve anything for Envoy as the well is dry and be it 4 or 8 pilots a month, it wont matter in the long run as the game of "kick the can" is still very much in play at AAG and Envoy is a kickable can and with continued kicking it like any repeatedly kicked can shrinks.
03-14-2016, 10:16 AM
#1814
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The flow creates movement, it doesn't stifle. Right now we have a backlog of pilots due to the lost decade after 9/11. We are the only airline that can guarantee 30 pilots per month leave off the top of the seniority list. And our flow will stay at 50% through pilots hired on October 2011.
Currently United and Delta have about 12,000+ applications on file. Forget American as most new hires come from the flow. Where does your average Regional pilot go in that enormous pile of applications? A few years flying an RJ will give you a leg up over people with military time? Or Airbus time? Or 747 time?
Remember you aren't just competing against other Regional pilots. There are pilots from LCCs, the military, Atlas, Omni, Kalitta, and the list goes on.
So you think that applying off the street at only two majors will work out faster than a no interview flow? Remembering that the flow will be at around 5 to 6 years once the current backlog of pilots go over.
Buy into the Internet cynism if you want...none of these people know what's best for you. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk..it's your choice.
Currently United and Delta have about 12,000+ applications on file. Forget American as most new hires come from the flow. Where does your average Regional pilot go in that enormous pile of applications? A few years flying an RJ will give you a leg up over people with military time? Or Airbus time? Or 747 time?
Remember you aren't just competing against other Regional pilots. There are pilots from LCCs, the military, Atlas, Omni, Kalitta, and the list goes on.
So you think that applying off the street at only two majors will work out faster than a no interview flow? Remembering that the flow will be at around 5 to 6 years once the current backlog of pilots go over.
Buy into the Internet cynism if you want...none of these people know what's best for you. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk..it's your choice.
That's the funniest post I've read this month.
03-14-2016, 10:23 AM
#1815
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Have you guys been hearing the rumors that 2017 will be 100% flows to AA from the wholly owneds? One of our union guys was saying something about that recently and it was also mentioned in a union email. I know we (PSA) go back to the table this summer to talk about increasing our flow, and I know you guys are supposed to meter down to 35% of AA classes after a while. I'm wondering if you guys don't stay at 50% flows for longer than they originally said and us and Piedmont go up a little bit.
I know AAG is aware of all the wholly owneds having issues hiring. And yet all they have ventured forth are increased new hire bonuses which aren't likely to work that well given what is being offered by other regionals. Maybe an increase in the flow and a ton of movement combined with added airframes and increased flying at it's wholly owneds is the ace they have up their sleeve?
I know AAG is aware of all the wholly owneds having issues hiring. And yet all they have ventured forth are increased new hire bonuses which aren't likely to work that well given what is being offered by other regionals. Maybe an increase in the flow and a ton of movement combined with added airframes and increased flying at it's wholly owneds is the ace they have up their sleeve?
Of course, that won't do much for luring in pilots from other regionals (AKA "poaching") as most simply won't start over in this hellish segment of the industry for questionable promises based on inflated and optimistic projections. The end result will continue to be the shrinking of the regional industry itself and not surprisingly Envoy as well.
03-14-2016, 10:26 AM
#1816
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The question is will it significantly change anything ? Will more E-175's bring in more street hires ? Will adding E-175's to ORD as a domicile to take over some of the soon to be extinct AA S80 flying there bring in more street pilots ? Will more fly-through to MIA bring in more street pilots ?
The new street class is reported to have a mind-numbing stampede of...........................4 pilots. Yes, that WAS gleaned from EL, but good news alone will not solve anything for Envoy as the well is dry and be it 4 or 8 pilots a month, it wont matter in the long run as the game of "kick the can" is still very much in play at AAG and Envoy is a kickable can and with continued kicking it like any repeatedly kicked can shrinks.
The new street class is reported to have a mind-numbing stampede of...........................4 pilots.
Yes, that WAS gleaned from EL, but good news alone will not solve anything for Envoy as the well is dry and be it 4 or 8 pilots a month, it wont matter in the long run as the game of "kick the can" is still very much in play at AAG and Envoy is a kickable can and with continued kicking it like any repeatedly kicked can shrinks.
03-14-2016, 11:00 AM
#1819
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