New Envoy Information
03-04-2016, 01:12 PM
#1733
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According to the union we have hired 40 new pilots in 2016 so far.
03-04-2016, 01:25 PM
#1735
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Yes, we're hiring pilots. The only reason we are supposedly "overstaffed" is because the company took away a bunch of our planes and flying and gave them to PSA, Piedmont, ExpressJet, Compass, and TransStates. They have also given a lot of our flying away to SkyWest, Republic, ASA, and Mesa. We're "overstaffed" because they took away an extremely large amount of our flying, and we currently have a few "excess" pilots.
According to the union we have hired 40 new pilots in 2016 so far.
According to the union we have hired 40 new pilots in 2016 so far.
Supposedly TSA and XJet 145 are coming back to Envoy.
03-04-2016, 01:42 PM
#1736
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Believe it or not, a cost has been put on the flow and when the numbers come out at the end, an Envoy pilot is compensated above what a Compass and Republic pilot are just to name two. And this is with Republic's new contract as well. I would think anyone with any sense would place Envoy several rungs higher on the ladder when just looking at the two carriers above alone not even considering pay.
How is that possible you ask? Take a look at an Envoy pilot's career vs. a Republic pilot's career from Day one of Indoc. The overall compensation curve is slightly lower on the front end of the Envoy pilot up until close to the 6 year mark when said pilot flows to American Airlines. Then, the curve skyrockets in favor of the Envoy/AA pilot.
How is that possible you ask? Take a look at an Envoy pilot's career vs. a Republic pilot's career from Day one of Indoc. The overall compensation curve is slightly lower on the front end of the Envoy pilot up until close to the 6 year mark when said pilot flows to American Airlines. Then, the curve skyrockets in favor of the Envoy/AA pilot.
Please clarify if I misunderstand the concept. You claim our "cost" is higher as we wait for the alleged 6 year flow. Maybe you're unaware, but our FO pay is now lower than almost anyone except Mesa. We are now second-worst because the rest of the industry has recently seen substantial gains, while we ratified 2 concessionary contracts in the past 3 years.
Life is too short to maintain a bad attitude about work. But I'm sure you can understand how folks have become slightly wary, skeptical, and cynical after years and years of stagnation, lies, broken promises, and bad news.
We would gladly welcome a positive future for our company. But it's up to the company to make that happen.
03-04-2016, 01:51 PM
#1737
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Rumors are fun, and they are free. I would love us to get our own planes and flying back, but I'll believe it if/when it actually happens.
03-05-2016, 04:31 AM
#1739
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There's nothing that Envoy management did that was "wrong." They used the information they had at the time to make the best decision for the company. Yes, this includes the pilot group as well. I know we as pilots often times think we know best but you have to realize that when you aren't privy to all of the information, there are things you can't see. The 30,000 foot view is constantly shifting as management deals with day to day operations. Thus you will at times see a reversal on something that was deemed appropriate months ago.
What you are seeing now is a continuation of that strategy. The bonuses that are being offered are unprecedented and just another solid reason why a new hire should choose Envoy. At times, attrition has been higher than management would like so this program should keep that in check. Yes, I understand that great opportunities arise from time to time, but it's mind blowing to see a super qualified Envoy pilot leave for a LCC when an AA job is just a few short years away.
What you are seeing now is a continuation of that strategy. The bonuses that are being offered are unprecedented and just another solid reason why a new hire should choose Envoy. At times, attrition has been higher than management would like so this program should keep that in check. Yes, I understand that great opportunities arise from time to time, but it's mind blowing to see a super qualified Envoy pilot leave for a LCC when an AA job is just a few short years away.
If cancellations ever occur with regularity due to staffing at envoy in the near future, I think it will be important to let shareholders know about your "reversal," i.e. your incomprehensible lack of foresight.
And now the massive retirements of the industry are forcing management's hand, and you guys want to take credit for it. Go troll somewhere else.
03-05-2016, 05:02 AM
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Yes, we're hiring pilots. The only reason we are supposedly "overstaffed" is because the company took away a bunch of our planes and flying and gave them to PSA, Piedmont, ExpressJet, Compass, and TransStates. They have also given a lot of our flying away to SkyWest, Republic, ASA, and Mesa. We're "overstaffed" because they took away an extremely large amount of our flying, and we currently have a few "excess" pilots.
According to the union we have hired 40 new pilots in 2016 so far.
According to the union we have hired 40 new pilots in 2016 so far.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't know it was your flying...last time I checked it was American's flying and they dish it out how they see fit
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