New Envoy Information
03-01-2016, 11:05 AM
#1582
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03-01-2016, 11:14 AM
#1583
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: CL65
Posts: 955
You absolutely do not want to do this. Even from an Envoy FO seat, this is a lateral move. You'll be stagnating your career and potentially get stuck at a LCC, maybe for life.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
03-01-2016, 11:17 AM
#1584
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
You absolutely do not want to do this. Even from an Envoy FO seat, this is a lateral move. You'll be stagnating your career and potentially get stuck at a LCC, maybe for life.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
First year pay at JetBlue is $8k more than the highest FO salary($50k vs $42k).
Second year pay at JetBlue is the same as 11 year Captain pay($87)
Third year FO pay at JetBlue is higher than ANY Captain pay here at envoy.
Upgrade time at JetBlue is currently lower than many of our FOs have been sitting reserve.
A 1 year FO I know has weekends off and 16 days off in March, with 24hr overnights in Aruba, St.Lucia, St.Maarten and Seattle.
JetBlue isn't owned by someone else and thusly their red headed step child: no Fatboy Wilsons and Pehro's blaming the 11-12 day off lines on Big daddy Parker giving the good flying away to other regionals.
But yeah - it's a lateral move - Cuz of flow right?
Moron.
03-01-2016, 11:19 AM
#1585
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I would be leaving under the terms of staying at JetBlue until retirement. My concern with the flow is that of everyone who truly understands it. It can and for all purposes should slow down this summer with the final return of the furloughes. Right now I'm looking at 3-4 years however that will change after May. By how much no one knows. Let's say it adds 6 months. Now I'm at 3.5-4.5 years before flow, still not terrible but being a New englander that's a long time for a guaranteed commute by airplane appossed to driving to work at JetBlue(BOS-JFK JR bases) And at the end of the day going to JetBlue will not cut me off from a chance in the near future at either big 3, so all tho I will be leaving on the hope to stay until retirement - it's not an ultimatum. Obviously it is weighing on me and I do appreciate the advice offered thanks.
(Let's see how this vacancy bid turns out. That could be the final straw either way)
(Let's see how this vacancy bid turns out. That could be the final straw either way)
03-01-2016, 11:28 AM
#1586
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Lateral move. Laughable.
First year pay at JetBlue is $8k more than the highest FO salary($50k vs $42k).
Second year pay at JetBlue is the same as 11 year Captain pay($87)
Third year FO pay at JetBlue is higher than ANY Captain pay here at envoy.
Upgrade time at JetBlue is currently lower than many of our FOs have been sitting reserve.
A 1 year FO I know has weekends off and 16 days off in March, with 24hr overnights in Aruba, St.Lucia, St.Maarten and Seattle.
JetBlue isn't owned by someone else and thusly their red headed step child: no Fatboy Wilsons and Pehro's blaming the 11-12 day off lines on Big daddy Parker giving the good flying away to other regionals.
But yeah - it's a lateral move - Cuz of flow right?
Moron.
First year pay at JetBlue is $8k more than the highest FO salary($50k vs $42k).
Second year pay at JetBlue is the same as 11 year Captain pay($87)
Third year FO pay at JetBlue is higher than ANY Captain pay here at envoy.
Upgrade time at JetBlue is currently lower than many of our FOs have been sitting reserve.
A 1 year FO I know has weekends off and 16 days off in March, with 24hr overnights in Aruba, St.Lucia, St.Maarten and Seattle.
JetBlue isn't owned by someone else and thusly their red headed step child: no Fatboy Wilsons and Pehro's blaming the 11-12 day off lines on Big daddy Parker giving the good flying away to other regionals.
But yeah - it's a lateral move - Cuz of flow right?
Moron.
03-01-2016, 11:33 AM
#1587
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 569
They value and respect their people more plain and simple. Side note, getting away from envoy helps in other ways. A friend left here and went to JB. Got hired at AA off the street while he was still in training at JB.
03-01-2016, 11:36 AM
#1588
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Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
You absolutely do not want to do this. Even from an Envoy FO seat, this is a lateral move. You'll be stagnating your career and potentially get stuck at a LCC, maybe for life.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
Consider it a step down if you are a CA. Cannot understand why any ENY Captain or even FO would be considering such a move. From an FO perspective, you already have a job at the largest major in the world just waiting on you.
Clueless.
Even if it is "lateral" as you say, he'll actually be at a company that treats him/her well. The salary as an FO exceeds our CA pay, and their CA pay is an easy 6 figures. And the company will treat him well. Did I mention that JB treats their employees well?
Drive to work + a company that treats you well + pay increase = go for it. Sure, maybe the lifetime earnings aren't there - but something this company can never get through its head is that QOL makes up for a LOT. Respect makes up for a LOT. Pay IS nice, but seeing as ENY has seen fit to degrade all three criteria, I'd say JB would be a comfortable ride into retirement.
03-01-2016, 11:43 AM
#1589
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Posts: 1,054
Shaky LCC? You either live in a box or pay no attention to the financials of other airlines. JetBlue is one of the most sturdy major airlines out there.
"Truly a lateral move". That statement keeps coming out. Did your mommy in marketing tell you to keep this line going whenever pressured, Marco Rubio? Because it doesn't float. A 3 year FO at Envoy makes $40/hr and most likely flies an E145 to Lawton Oklahoma. A 3 year FO at JetBlue makes $103/hr and likely flies an A320/321 to Aruba. Hey but keep on spewing nonsense. It makes you look absolutely stupid.
The rest of your post is just dangling the flow as a carrot: a flow that has 16 year eagle CAs going right now that we're told 16 years ago they would flow in 3 years. There is NO guarantee that FOs here will actually flow to AA. Dic(head) wilson already said they plan to keep metering the flow, in clear violation of the contract, which will bring this years flow rate below 50%. I'm sure you management lackeys will spin that by just stating the overall flow rate since it started, all the way up to the moment that goes below 50%, and then you'll find some other way to distract.
The bottom line is you are trying to sell an old stale carrot to get poor unsuspecting kids to stay/come here and work their butts off with little pay, a broken reserve system, and 11-12 days off a max for years. I've been here well over 20 and I can barely hold above that.
03-01-2016, 11:47 AM
#1590
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 490
I've likely been here longer than you kiddo; my time has come and gone. I'll be damned if I'm going to let immoral liars like yourself ruin kids lives though.
Shaky LCC? You either live in a box or pay no attention to the financials of other airlines. JetBlue is one of the most sturdy major airlines out there.
"Truly a lateral move". That statement keeps coming out. Did your mommy in marketing tell you to keep this line going whenever pressured, Marco Rubio? Because it doesn't float. A 3 year FO at Envoy makes $40/hr and most likely flies an E145 to Lawton Oklahoma. A 3 year FO at JetBlue makes $103/hr and likely flies an A320/321 to Aruba. Hey but keep on spewing nonsense. It makes you look absolutely stupid.
The rest of your post is just dangling the flow as a carrot: a flow that has 16 year eagle CAs going right now that we're told 16 years ago they would flow in 3 years. There is NO guarantee that FOs here will actually flow to AA. Dic(head) wilson already said they plan to keep metering the flow, in clear violation of the contract, which will bring this years flow rate below 50%. I'm sure you management lackeys will spin that by just stating the overall flow rate since it started, all the way up to the moment that goes below 50%, and then you'll find some other way to distract.
The bottom line is you are trying to sell an old stale carrot to get poor unsuspecting kids to stay/come here and work their butts off with little pay, a broken reserve system, and 11-12 days off a max for years. I've been here well over 20 and I can barely hold above that.
Shaky LCC? You either live in a box or pay no attention to the financials of other airlines. JetBlue is one of the most sturdy major airlines out there.
"Truly a lateral move". That statement keeps coming out. Did your mommy in marketing tell you to keep this line going whenever pressured, Marco Rubio? Because it doesn't float. A 3 year FO at Envoy makes $40/hr and most likely flies an E145 to Lawton Oklahoma. A 3 year FO at JetBlue makes $103/hr and likely flies an A320/321 to Aruba. Hey but keep on spewing nonsense. It makes you look absolutely stupid.
The rest of your post is just dangling the flow as a carrot: a flow that has 16 year eagle CAs going right now that we're told 16 years ago they would flow in 3 years. There is NO guarantee that FOs here will actually flow to AA. Dic(head) wilson already said they plan to keep metering the flow, in clear violation of the contract, which will bring this years flow rate below 50%. I'm sure you management lackeys will spin that by just stating the overall flow rate since it started, all the way up to the moment that goes below 50%, and then you'll find some other way to distract.
The bottom line is you are trying to sell an old stale carrot to get poor unsuspecting kids to stay/come here and work their butts off with little pay, a broken reserve system, and 11-12 days off a max for years. I've been here well over 20 and I can barely hold above that.
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