Originally Posted by cr700

Don't let the naysayers here get to you. You absolutely made the right choice in selecting Envoy for your airline career. As you were likely told throughout the interview process and in training, we are hiring AA pilots from day one. You obviously have the right stuff as you were selected.

The information I have presented here in this thread is exactly what the company plans to do. Things may be tweaked a bit here and there as for operational necessity, but any good and viable business will do this as necessary. For instance, there are some here that are upset that the company metered the flows to 30 last month. That was simply an operational necessity. As more 175's come online, the training pipeline will get backed up and we will need more pilots in the seats of all our aircraft to cover as these first groups get through the 175 training program. We have also been tasked by the company to operate the CRJ-700's through the end of the year and beyond. This too will require additional pilots. As you can see in this case, operational necessity wins.

Originally Envoy had planned to flow 375 pilots through in 2016. This has been tweaked slightly as former furloughed AA pilots have their last opportunity to come back and must make their decision by May. That said, the company still has to true up and current plans are for more than 300 to flow by the end of the year. Since the 6 year flow was planned at "minimum" flows, this gets us exactly where we need to be.

In the end, it's math. Some on here can't add properly or read a projection that the company has published. You will see posts stating that the current flows are 1999 hires. While that's true, it doesn't account for the remaining pilots on the list and factoring in the company's math and projections. If you were hired in January, I would absolutely expect you to be sitting in AA class no later than January of 2022. Actually, looking at the projections, it very well could be the latter half of 2021.

Also, looking at the planned upgrades for 2016, 250, that factors in and works out to be exactly a 2.5 year upgrade for you.

A piece of advice. It's great to get information anywhere you can, but you'll soon realize that here there are some who cannot stand seeing that Envoy is having great success with the flow. They may have taken a long time to upgrade at Envoy and when they see a new guy come on board and upgrade in 2.5 years, it rubs them the wrong way. It shouldn't, as they are flowing as well, but for some reason it doesn't sit well with them.

Just focus on your training and doing the best job that you can. Envoy has a great contract and you will have good quality of life as you move up the seniority ladder and directly into that seat at AA.

Originally Posted by boiler07

Ah, that didn't take long. More twisted facts about flow times from our good friend.

Originally Posted by ag386

Go ahead and call them twisted. But today, they are absolutely true.

Originally Posted by ag386

Go ahead and call them twisted. But today, they are absolutely true.

Originally Posted by fina

Troll alert. you dont work here

Originally Posted by fina

Is not about the math or if 2.5/6 is going to work or not, the problem is that you dont work here. let the guys that do work here tell the forum the pros/con of working for envoy.
eaglefly you are a troll and cr700 is also a troll,ag384 just to name a few.
go do something better with you live

Originally Posted by boiler07

While factually correct, their intent is to mislead new hires into thinking that it will take them 16+ years to flow through.

Like I said, twisted facts.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Sorry, but these threads are not limited to those that only work for the company under discussion. Plenty of Envoy pilots post on PSA, Mesa threads, etc. I'm not posting on the "pro's/con's" of Envoy, I'm questioning the upgrade/flow claims. That's two different subjects.

My suggestion is to either get used to it, or put those who are the source of your rage on ignore.

Originally Posted by fina

you giving miss information like if you work here you dont work here, the only information that you know is that you get from EL. If you want to keep miss informing the people that read this forum ill keep telling people you are a troll. let the people that work here tell others the pro/con. Im not going to ignore you.
You keep posting and ill keep telling people you a troll and cr700 too.