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Old 02-20-2016, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
It's probably not envoy management here trying to turn hearts and minds. Most likely another out of touch Union guy that hasn't flown ( besides a desk) in 3 years
Our MEC members all fly regularly. Same with the negotiating committee. I recently flew with the Sec/Treas. who was doing fly back. Basically flying instead of staying at home and crediting his pay to our budget. He was not out of touch as he was instrumental in the envoy pay sheet that came from our well documented issues with paycomp. Funderburk is the flow guy.....definitely not out of touch as we always are fighting a battle on that front it seems. Sam is on top of the rest and I wouldn't put him in the out of touch category.
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Old 02-20-2016, 01:14 PM
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Listen bubba I've never been wrong or misinformed before. Has Sam been flying recently?
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Old 02-20-2016, 01:39 PM
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Now, if there was some MEC level subversion going on painting how out of touch Mgmt. is with their line pilots I could see that. It wouldn't be because the MEC is out of touch. It would be an effective strategic move to show management and prospective new hire pilots the level of frustration with the current path management has taken us down.
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Old 02-20-2016, 02:27 PM
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Kenji must've put the word out that either we get more new hires at any cost (including one's integrity) or there'll be some changes. Of course, Doug and Jerry didn't put any money up to make it happen...
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:26 PM
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Awesome all new hires stay away till Dic and Pedro are gone. From there we'll take the new guys word for what it is, till he lies also. Seriously though, stay the hell away from this place.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:12 PM
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Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Credit to the guy for stopping by, but obviously we're not going to get the info we need in order to present our airline in a positive light on social media. I meant what I said about being willing to be the #1 salesman, but I'm not worthy of Top Secret magical management math.

It's really unfortunate the attitude presented was one of STF U, you whiny pilots - which certainly didn't do any favors for the airline's image. If prospective new hires saw that I'd guess he's done just as much damage as any of us possibly could along with validating everything that's been said here about indifferent management and how unlikely it is that our work environment is going to improve.

Until they wave their magic wand and we miraculously flow the 300+, get 200+ upgrades in the next 10 months (less than 8 for the flows due to Letter T, Christmas and July), and Charlie B. makes it to AA on time - shut up and get back to work.
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:16 PM
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3inthegreen...I will refrain from re-posting your response to Rick.

Excellent post! Everything is 100% true.
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:54 PM
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3inthegreen...I will refrain from re-posting your response to Rick.

Excellent post! Everything is 100% true.
+2 great post and thanks for spending the time to write it out.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ChickHicks
3inthegreen...I will refrain from re-posting your response to Rick.

Excellent post! Everything is 100% true.
I agree, great responses.

I really hate admitting it, but new hires should probably avoid envoy for the foreseeable future.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:53 AM
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Where'd cj700 go?
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