boiler07

Most regionals have had fluctuating hiring numbers over the past year. Many go in and out of double digits. Envoy is one of them.

Destroy envoy? No. They were worried about that before the last TA, but they signed it because "they were too expensive" at the time. So apparently that's no longer the case.

3inthegreen

Skywest had 64 in a class recently, Mesa's last class had 33, I think CommutAirs last class had over 20. Envoys last class had 6, PSAs had 3. Envoy is safe for now, thanks to the 175s we are getting and because we took it up the a$$ to give Parker and company what they wanted the last go around. Had we said no the last time we would have not gotten the 175 and been shut down.

chrisreedrules

I think someone in the PDT thread said they had 5 in their last class...

ju10489

The WOs are now at the bottom pay of the industry, followed closely by Mesa..

XJT is gonna announce some kind of deal (Flow probably) with United, the WOs will have nothing special to attract new hire anymore.

Smutter

My time at comair says yes. The same is happening here. I didn't think that until the last couple of months. But now I believe we are headed the comair way.

eaglefly

His upgrade projections are still a mess. He's simply parroting the company line. Envoy's 2016 upgrade claim of 205 is already slipping and still for 2017 through mid-2018 WAY too many F/O's would have to upgrade and they can't even live up to 2016's comparatively feeble numbers. The flow projections are Pollyanna pie-in-the-sky from people who are holding back a measly 5 pilots/month now with claims it will break them because of staffing. With an approximate average of 40% system reserve coverage, zero and part-time lines this is absurd.

Jesus, what an embarrassing disaster of a sales pitch he makes considering the sobering realities now obvious.

highflyer1980

Just shows how out of touch our management is. Honestly, this doesn't surprise me with how many years I've been doing the "airline job". Their leadership style has always been where the peons do all the hard work and the managers take all the credit. They have the attitude of "we are lucky they throw us scraps into the corner."

Smutter

What's more embarrassing is the two people running this company. Dic and Pedro. Nothing special in the education Dept. And neither were qualified to move up to the positions they did. Hell, anyone that watches the company video in recurrent has to laugh guy barely can speak English. What a joke this company. To all the new hires that choose to come here, it is the new Mesa. You come to ENVOY if you can't get hired elsewhere.

highflyer1980

^^^^Truth. I've been at Mesa. This place is turning into that dark alley.

And I think that's what DP wants. Low cost regional network just for him and the shareholders.

cr700

Let me be really honest with all of the Envoy pilots here. Bashing the company is going to do nothing, zero, to help you out of the "situation you feel you are in." Helping your understanding of the company's reasoning and calculations by explaining it in detail is something I've tried to do here but it appears to have gone over your heads. Keep in mind that I've flown the line and understand what it means to be a line pilot so I've tried to explain it in a way that's easily understood.

You can get on board and ride Envoy right into AA or you can bash and be miserable. Better yet, why not make that lateral move to JetBlue, Spirit or Virgin. If you are that big a detractor, we don't need you here. We WILL continue to get new hires. There are many out there who would be happy to embark on their AA career at Envoy.

For those of you interested in coming to Envoy, I'll be happy to answer your questions here. Just ignore the trolls.