New Envoy Information
02-18-2016, 03:08 PM
#1223
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Well, in the past they were really good. Right now its pretty bad. AAG divides up who gets what flights and right now we are getting the left overs. So until AAG gives us better flying i.e. more turns during he middle of the day then we will be stuck with really low time lines, all 4 day trips, hard to commute, and lost day lines.
They have been saying its going to get better for the past 6-8 months.
They have been saying its going to get better for the past 6-8 months.
100% this.
Lines here used to be pretty da*n good. The worst we complained about was not having enough 3 on/ 4 off lines. Or not enough day trips for the local guys. 15, 16, 17 days off and 78-80 hour lines.
Now? 4 on 2, maybe 3 off. 12 days off total. If you don't have to commute on your day off. That could easily reduce your 12 days off to 8 full days at home. Or less.
Cr700 - I'll be the first to tell the naysayers to shove it. I'll be on your side. Eagle used to arguably be the top regional airline. Give me a reason to say ENY is top of the heap. Not "promises".
02-18-2016, 04:27 PM
#1224
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 338
Pilots deal in hard numbers, concrete statements, shall and must. In absence of those numbers, everything is a no-go decision. Management's unwillingness to provide any concrete numbers (SOP) is at the forefront of my and everyone else's disbelief. Put those numbers out. Here or in an official email to the employees. Then I'll believe you. Otherwise, the pilot group is all too used to broken promises.
Until you see it on the ramp/ in the bid pack, it doesn't matter. It's just talk.
02-18-2016, 07:18 PM
#1226
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Violin on the Envoy-tanic
Posts: 175
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Pays us well? Yea, that's laughable. They get our paychecks wrong so often, the union had to come up with a spreadsheet for pilots to audit their own paychecks. The company has literally been stealing thousands of dollars from the pilot group every pay period. Oh, and find an error? Expect to see the correction in two months. But when the company miraculously discovers an error in a pilot's favor, well by god it's coming out your next paycheck! Funny how that works. Let's not forget the 12/4 year pay scales the company forced down our throats, the change in policy to make a 117 duty extension refusal either a fatigue or sick call (both punitive), and the refusal to pay CA pay to individuals that had someone junior to them upgrade out of seniority order like the contract and 15+ years of precedent said they should have ($5k to 20 pilots affected.) And that's just the tip of the iceberg!
The company does know exactly what they are doing. They are screwing us in every way possible, violating the contract in any way they want, and then blowing smoke up our ass and telling us "good news is right around the corner" to avoid an implosion of epic proportions.
02-19-2016, 03:49 AM
#1227
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 290
The only possible explanation for this level of delusion is that cr700 is management.
Pays us well? Yea, that's laughable. They get our paychecks wrong so often, the union had to come up with a spreadsheet for pilots to audit their own paychecks. The company has literally been stealing thousands of dollars from the pilot group every pay period. Oh, and find an error? Expect to see the correction in two months. But when the company miraculously discovers an error in a pilot's favor, well by god it's coming out your next paycheck! Funny how that works. Let's not forget the 12/4 year pay scales the company forced down our throats, the change in policy to make a 117 duty extension refusal either a fatigue or sick call (both punitive), and the refusal to pay CA pay to individuals that had someone junior to them upgrade out of seniority order like the contract and 15+ years of precedent said they should have ($5k to 20 pilots affected.) And that's just the tip of the iceberg!
The company does know exactly what they are doing. They are screwing us in every way possible, violating the contract in any way they want, and then blowing smoke up our ass and telling us "good news is right around the corner" to avoid an implosion of epic proportions.
Pays us well? Yea, that's laughable. They get our paychecks wrong so often, the union had to come up with a spreadsheet for pilots to audit their own paychecks. The company has literally been stealing thousands of dollars from the pilot group every pay period. Oh, and find an error? Expect to see the correction in two months. But when the company miraculously discovers an error in a pilot's favor, well by god it's coming out your next paycheck! Funny how that works. Let's not forget the 12/4 year pay scales the company forced down our throats, the change in policy to make a 117 duty extension refusal either a fatigue or sick call (both punitive), and the refusal to pay CA pay to individuals that had someone junior to them upgrade out of seniority order like the contract and 15+ years of precedent said they should have ($5k to 20 pilots affected.) And that's just the tip of the iceberg!
The company does know exactly what they are doing. They are screwing us in every way possible, violating the contract in any way they want, and then blowing smoke up our ass and telling us "good news is right around the corner" to avoid an implosion of epic proportions.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread? In fact, that's why I finally started posting instead of just reading. To turn away these unwarranted incendiary attacks on Envoy. Do you want to flow or not? Well, we do need new hires. That's a fact. We are getting them like everyone else, maybe a few more than others, but we still need them. Why turn them away with baseless accusations about what YOU perceive to be the truth here.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has. We are far and away at the top of regionals in terms of percentages of flowing pilots. How is that a bad thing? Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work. These are all based on projections that were created between Envoy and AAG. And that's just with the flow working as we speak. How about that fact?
Upgrades are about to drop rapidly. Forget about your Charlie Bucket. That's union propaganda. I'm not saying overall that the union is bad, it's just that they have their own agenda when running THEIR numbers.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is regarding complaining about the work rules in general.
As for the schedules. The schedules are given to us by AAG and we have to make them work. It's really a lack of mid day flying that contributes to many of the lines built in the current fashion. It's just where we are right now. They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels! What more do you want? Room service delivered to your room on the company dime?
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional. This, along with the flow is what will bring new hires to our doors.
02-19-2016, 04:10 AM
#1228
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 146
So what if I'm at a desk most of the time? I've got no problem admitting it. I'm still on the seniority list and that's what matters.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread? In fact, that's why I finally started posting instead of just reading. To turn away these unwarranted incendiary attacks on Envoy. Do you want to flow or not? Well, we do need new hires. That's a fact. We are getting them like everyone else, maybe a few more than others, but we still need them. Why turn them away with baseless accusations about what YOU perceive to be the truth here.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has. We are far and away at the top of regionals in terms of percentages of flowing pilots. How is that a bad thing? Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work. These are all based on projections that were created between Envoy and AAG. And that's just with the flow working as we speak. How about that fact?
Upgrades are about to drop rapidly. Forget about your Charlie Bucket. That's union propaganda. I'm not saying overall that the union is bad, it's just that they have their own agenda when running THEIR numbers.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is regarding complaining about the work rules in general.
As for the schedules. The schedules are given to us by AAG and we have to make them work. It's really a lack of mid day flying that contributes to many of the lines built in the current fashion. It's just where we are right now. They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels! What more do you want? Room service delivered to your room on the company dime?
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional. This, along with the flow is what will bring new hires to our doors.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread? In fact, that's why I finally started posting instead of just reading. To turn away these unwarranted incendiary attacks on Envoy. Do you want to flow or not? Well, we do need new hires. That's a fact. We are getting them like everyone else, maybe a few more than others, but we still need them. Why turn them away with baseless accusations about what YOU perceive to be the truth here.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has. We are far and away at the top of regionals in terms of percentages of flowing pilots. How is that a bad thing? Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work. These are all based on projections that were created between Envoy and AAG. And that's just with the flow working as we speak. How about that fact?
Upgrades are about to drop rapidly. Forget about your Charlie Bucket. That's union propaganda. I'm not saying overall that the union is bad, it's just that they have their own agenda when running THEIR numbers.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is regarding complaining about the work rules in general.
As for the schedules. The schedules are given to us by AAG and we have to make them work. It's really a lack of mid day flying that contributes to many of the lines built in the current fashion. It's just where we are right now. They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels! What more do you want? Room service delivered to your room on the company dime?
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional. This, along with the flow is what will bring new hires to our doors.
Just out of curiosity, where has the 2.5/6 ever been "shown that it is going to work"? Do your own math and tell me what you get. It's not that hard.
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02-19-2016, 04:11 AM
#1229
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 366
So what if I'm at a desk most of the time? I've got no problem admitting it. I'm still on the seniority list and that's what matters.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread? In fact, that's why I finally started posting instead of just reading. To turn away these unwarranted incendiary attacks on Envoy. Do you want to flow or not? Well, we do need new hires. That's a fact. We are getting them like everyone else, maybe a few more than others, but we still need them. Why turn them away with baseless accusations about what YOU perceive to be the truth here.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has. We are far and away at the top of regionals in terms of percentages of flowing pilots. How is that a bad thing? Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work. These are all based on projections that were created between Envoy and AAG. And that's just with the flow working as we speak. How about that fact?
Upgrades are about to drop rapidly. Forget about your Charlie Bucket. That's union propaganda. I'm not saying overall that the union is bad, it's just that they have their own agenda when running THEIR numbers.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is regarding complaining about the work rules in general.
As for the schedules. The schedules are given to us by AAG and we have to make them work. It's really a lack of mid day flying that contributes to many of the lines built in the current fashion. It's just where we are right now. They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels! What more do you want? Room service delivered to your room on the company dime?
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional. This, along with the flow is what will bring new hires to our doors.
Where's the bastion of support that I used to see on here in this thread? In fact, that's why I finally started posting instead of just reading. To turn away these unwarranted incendiary attacks on Envoy. Do you want to flow or not? Well, we do need new hires. That's a fact. We are getting them like everyone else, maybe a few more than others, but we still need them. Why turn them away with baseless accusations about what YOU perceive to be the truth here.
The facts is, there is no other regional that has the type of flow that Envoy has. We are far and away at the top of regionals in terms of percentages of flowing pilots. How is that a bad thing? Add to that the upgrade time that will be dropping rapidly very soon. The 2.5/6 is not just some baloney numbers pulled out of the air. These were calculated over a period of time by Envoy management and it's shown already that it's going to work. These are all based on projections that were created between Envoy and AAG. And that's just with the flow working as we speak. How about that fact?
Upgrades are about to drop rapidly. Forget about your Charlie Bucket. That's union propaganda. I'm not saying overall that the union is bad, it's just that they have their own agenda when running THEIR numbers.
As for work rules. Yes, Envoy has nearly the best in the regional industry. Maybe the reserve rules could use some tweaking, but overall I can't see what the problem is regarding complaining about the work rules in general.
As for the schedules. The schedules are given to us by AAG and we have to make them work. It's really a lack of mid day flying that contributes to many of the lines built in the current fashion. It's just where we are right now. They may not be perfect, but seriously, are they really that bad? It's a fact that every month someone will post that the schedules are the worst they've ever seen. Give me a break. As far as the non commutable ends of the trip, you have company paid hotels! What more do you want? Room service delivered to your room on the company dime?
I would stress again......patience. It's taking some time for the overall company plan to come together but Envoy is a major player and is already a great regional with a robust flow, but as things continue to improve, will be THE premier regional. This, along with the flow is what will bring new hires to our doors.
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