New Envoy Information
02-18-2016, 01:55 PM
#1212
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
There are about 10 lines that are commutable both sides.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
02-18-2016, 01:58 PM
#1213
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Qualified to carry liquids through security.
Posts: 771
There are about 10 lines that are commutable both sides.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
02-18-2016, 02:13 PM
#1215
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
There are about 10 lines that are commutable both sides.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
02-18-2016, 02:25 PM
#1217
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
The numbers do not support your claims.
I asked for rebuttal and proof, you have given none.
I am paid less now than two years ago, not including less days at home and hotels on my own dime due to the large number of late finished and early starts that far exceed the company hotel allowance. If you're in the know about future ops more than anybody else here is it's probably because you work in an office in DFW and get to go home every night. Pretty easy to talk the pro-ENY talk when you don't have to deal with the crappy conditions on the line, right? That nice cozy office where you can dismiss the hardships the hundreds on reserve have had to suck up for years now?
There's no hate. I'm asking hard questions. Questions that don't have answers. That's sheer head-banging on the wall frustration at the insanity of people repeating unicorns and rainbows when everything points to it being a lie. 30,000ft and solid undercast.
I asked for rebuttal and proof, you have given none.
I am paid less now than two years ago, not including less days at home and hotels on my own dime due to the large number of late finished and early starts that far exceed the company hotel allowance. If you're in the know about future ops more than anybody else here is it's probably because you work in an office in DFW and get to go home every night. Pretty easy to talk the pro-ENY talk when you don't have to deal with the crappy conditions on the line, right? That nice cozy office where you can dismiss the hardships the hundreds on reserve have had to suck up for years now?
There's no hate. I'm asking hard questions. Questions that don't have answers. That's sheer head-banging on the wall frustration at the insanity of people repeating unicorns and rainbows when everything points to it being a lie. 30,000ft and solid undercast.
I need to add: the overarching reason management gets zero support from the front line is that we get ZERO information about the future other than what amounts vapor. Pilots deal in hard numbers, concrete statements, shall and must. In absence of those numbers, everything is a no-go decision. Management's unwillingness to provide any concrete numbers (SOP) is at the forefront of my and everyone else's disbelief. Put those numbers out. Here or in an official email to the employees. Then I'll believe you. Otherwise, the pilot group is all too used to broken promises.
02-18-2016, 02:27 PM
#1218
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Reverse Cowgirl
Posts: 546
There are about 10 lines that are commutable both sides.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
There are about 6 more that start before 10 AM.
After that there are a few that finish at or around 7 pm. This borders non commutable for me.
The rest all have starts too early or after 7:30 pm. These I consider uncommutable, I do not have any flights to get home or I cannot meet the commuter policy set forth by the company.
164 lines, 14 zero/part time, the rest reserve or composite.
I have less than 10% of the lines I could call commutable. The rest will require one night in a hotel or more. Many lines have every trip requiring a hotel, sometimes on both ends.
These are hands down the worst commutable lines I have ever had at this company.
ORD EMB. I can't say what DFW, CRJ or 175 have.
02-18-2016, 02:30 PM
#1219
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 299
I am looking to get back into 121 flying and would like to know how good/bad the lines and reserve are for commuting purposes for envoy I Flew 3 yrs for another carrier on the crj in ord and I live in Denver.
I have read some of the posts on here and understand the good and bad. Thanks
I have read some of the posts on here and understand the good and bad. Thanks
They have been saying its going to get better for the past 6-8 months.
02-18-2016, 02:51 PM
#1220
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 248
Cr700,
You claim things are great at envoy. You say "Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing."
Perhaps you should leave your office over at headquarters and see how line pilots feel about envoy. Eagle was a great place to work at one time, but those days (and name) are long gone. Our QOL and pay are much less than they were just a few years ago.
The hate and vitriol being thrown about is due to frustration. Management frequently promises things will be better (much like a drug addict or alcoholic) yet, seem to go out of their way to not make it happen. Our work rules are not some of the best in the industry. What the rules say doesn't rely matter anyway, though, since you will "creatively" reinterpret them. Envoy isn't just in a shallow dive, management is pushing the stick full forward with the draconian one sided policies implemented within the last year or two.
You say management knows what they are doing, and I believe your are correct. The problem is, what they are doing isn't making envoy a great or desirable place to work. Other regional airlines are getting improvements to pay and QOL, yet we just continue to get empty promises, bad news, and violations of our already substandard contact. Potential new hires know it. Charlie Bucket better brace for disappointment.
You claim things are great at envoy. You say "Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing."
Perhaps you should leave your office over at headquarters and see how line pilots feel about envoy. Eagle was a great place to work at one time, but those days (and name) are long gone. Our QOL and pay are much less than they were just a few years ago.
The hate and vitriol being thrown about is due to frustration. Management frequently promises things will be better (much like a drug addict or alcoholic) yet, seem to go out of their way to not make it happen. Our work rules are not some of the best in the industry. What the rules say doesn't rely matter anyway, though, since you will "creatively" reinterpret them. Envoy isn't just in a shallow dive, management is pushing the stick full forward with the draconian one sided policies implemented within the last year or two.
You say management knows what they are doing, and I believe your are correct. The problem is, what they are doing isn't making envoy a great or desirable place to work. Other regional airlines are getting improvements to pay and QOL, yet we just continue to get empty promises, bad news, and violations of our already substandard contact. Potential new hires know it. Charlie Bucket better brace for disappointment.
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