New Envoy Information
02-18-2016, 11:44 AM
#1202
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Agreed, but it would have to benefit RAH in some way. I would think any 76-seaters be they E-Jet or CRJ would still be valuable and no one would just hand them over to AAG simply because they want them.
02-18-2016, 11:44 AM
#1203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 290
Ok, so you are an ENY rep... Interesting.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
02-18-2016, 11:57 AM
#1204
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
I'm not claiming to be a rep. I am however, very much in the know as to the day to day decisions here. A quick check of your post history and by your own admission, you say you previously supported my position. I read the posts and that is obvious. Why the sudden change? You have to understand, it takes time for the 30,000 foot view to actually make it into actual concrete moves. Can you not see that here at Envoy?
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
02-18-2016, 11:59 AM
#1205
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 674
I'm not claiming to be a rep. I am however, very much in the know as to the day to day decisions here. A quick check of your post history and by your own admission, you say you previously supported my position. I read the posts and that is obvious. Why the sudden change? You have to understand, it takes time for the 30,000 foot view to actually make it into actual concrete moves. Can you not see that here at Envoy?
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
The onus is on you to back up what you are saying. And so far you haven't done any of that. If you're in the know as you claim, tell us some facts to support your position. Otherwise, you're just another poster on APC making a lot of empty noise.
02-18-2016, 12:01 PM
#1206
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 540
Ok, so you are an ENY rep... Interesting.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
02-18-2016, 12:04 PM
#1207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
The universe implodes. I agree with eaglefly. (And it only took one short paragraph!)
02-18-2016, 12:06 PM
#1208
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
02-18-2016, 12:17 PM
#1209
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
I'm not claiming to be a rep. I am however, very much in the know as to the day to day decisions here... Why the sudden change? You have to understand, it takes time for the 30,000 foot view to actually make it into actual concrete moves. Can you not see that here at Envoy?
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
I asked for rebuttal and proof, you have given none.
I am paid less now than two years ago, not including less days at home and hotels on my own dime due to the large number of late finished and early starts that far exceed the company hotel allowance. If you're in the know about future ops more than anybody else here is it's probably because you work in an office in DFW and get to go home every night. Pretty easy to talk the pro-ENY talk when you don't have to deal with the crappy conditions on the line, right? That nice cozy office where you can dismiss the hardships the hundreds on reserve have had to suck up for years now?
There's no hate. I'm asking hard questions. Questions that don't have answers. That's sheer head-banging on the wall frustration at the insanity of people repeating unicorns and rainbows when everything points to it being a lie. 30,000ft and solid undercast.
02-18-2016, 12:17 PM
#1210
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Position: A320F/O
Posts: 13
Commute question
I am looking to get back into 121 flying and would like to know how good/bad the lines and reserve are for commuting purposes for envoy I Flew 3 yrs for another carrier on the crj in ord and I live in Denver.
I have read some of the posts on here and understand the good and bad. Thanks
I have read some of the posts on here and understand the good and bad. Thanks
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