New Envoy Information
11-12-2015, 04:46 AM
#91
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By your own admission kid, in July 2015 the flow FAILED under Parker. It doesn't matter what was done to correct that later. But that was NOT my point, only your misguided ramblings to try and convince yourself and others your world of fantasy based on assumptions, projections and hypotheticals is unalterable.
It has NOTHING to do with me, that is simply also a byproduct of your obviously delusion-based existence. Again, claiming that it's certain the flow will not change or stop based on what happened yesterday, last month or a year ago is silly. I strongly doubt anyone here takes your desperate veiled pleading and begging, nor your overt selling here seriously either.
But by all means...............carry on ! If anything, it's entertaining. Demented and sad, but entertaining.
It has NOTHING to do with me, that is simply also a byproduct of your obviously delusion-based existence. Again, claiming that it's certain the flow will not change or stop based on what happened yesterday, last month or a year ago is silly. I strongly doubt anyone here takes your desperate veiled pleading and begging, nor your overt selling here seriously either.
But by all means...............carry on ! If anything, it's entertaining. Demented and sad, but entertaining.
I'm sorry you spent a lot of your time at Eagle during the lost decade, but those days are over. Everybody is hiring and every single pilot currently on the Envoy list that wants to flow to AA will have the opportunity to do just that in the next few years. We are going to be having more upgrades than planned as well as some hulls stay around longer that initially thought as well. In addition, I think there is a very good chance that Envoy will be exercising options on the additional 90 E-175's (aka "The New Seven Five") as well. Kind of like having your cake and being able to eat it as well.
Don't believe 2.5/6? It's a fact. I've already given you all of the numbers and how it's going to happen. Keep burying your head in the sand but if you want a job with AA, Envoy is your best bet.
11-12-2015, 04:48 AM
#92
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No such guarantee exists.
All that exists in this respect are present projections that imply it is possible for such a pilot to theoretically achieve that result in that time frame, but that is NOT the same as a guarantee. If such a thing existed, it would be in iron-clad contractual language.
Considering one must accept that there is motive for some to insinuate such a claim, it makes it even more obvious that NO pilot should assume such a thing.
All that exists in this respect are present projections that imply it is possible for such a pilot to theoretically achieve that result in that time frame, but that is NOT the same as a guarantee. If such a thing existed, it would be in iron-clad contractual language.
Considering one must accept that there is motive for some to insinuate such a claim, it makes it even more obvious that NO pilot should assume such a thing.
11-12-2015, 04:49 AM
#93
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It is as much as a guarantee that United or Delta might call that person for an interview and they might be among the 85% interviewees who are offered a job. There are over 600 pilots that have flowed over to AA in the last 4 years that say its a pretty good chance.
So far, your argument carries about as much weight as, "well, assuming a meteorite doesn't hit the earth and destroy all humanity before that time comes."
But since you like to sow such distrust for the flow, name me one time that FT hasn't worked as advertised since Parker took over?
(They should have flowed over 6 guys in July 2015 but the next month they flowed 18 at 100% of the class)
So far, your argument carries about as much weight as, "well, assuming a meteorite doesn't hit the earth and destroy all humanity before that time comes."
But since you like to sow such distrust for the flow, name me one time that FT hasn't worked as advertised since Parker took over?
(They should have flowed over 6 guys in July 2015 but the next month they flowed 18 at 100% of the class)
Ding ding ding! This guy gets it.
11-12-2015, 05:57 AM
#95
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11-12-2015, 06:35 AM
#96
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30/month is 360 and 50% of 750 is 375. But, last I read from Envoy management it was "200-300" which is short of the Mason dance from just weeks ago. Let's see what occurs in January. If it's only 20, that's not a good sign of 360-375 for 2016.
I'm sorry you spent a lot of your time at Eagle during the lost decade, but those days are over. Everybody is hiring and every single pilot currently on the Envoy list that wants to flow to AA will have the opportunity to do just that in the next few years. We are going to be having more upgrades than planned as well as some hulls stay around longer that initially thought as well. In addition, I think there is a very good chance that Envoy will be exercising options on the additional 90 E-175's (aka "The New Seven Five") as well. Kind of like having your cake and being able to eat it as well.
You planning to flow ?
Well, then I'd rethink trumpeting those 90 options for "The new seven five's". That will only SLOW your advancement at AA once you get there as guess what they will be replacing...................YOU. Since you'll be hideously junior, it will likely then be I that tells YOU how sorry I am you are upset.
Good Luck !
11-12-2015, 06:43 AM
#97
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I'm not disparaging the flow as it is a GOOD thing, BUT, one should mot plan on present projections as any sort of guarantee, that's all I've said. I realize this is driving some like yourself into complete hysterics though.
Why don't you tell this old man why aren't YOU moving on to elsewhere ?
Gee, if you can't that must mean you're an un-hirable toothless loser like me, eh ?
Once you flow, I'll be able to attack you as one who didn't "earn his job" at AA and couldn't get hired anywhere else and won't that be a peach ?
11-12-2015, 06:48 AM
#98
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: EMB145 CA
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Well, back at EL during the Summer, everyone was in a flap on how in June Envoy sent no one and arbitrally they were required to send a minimum each month percentage-wise. What they did to make up for that or how many overall they hiredis irrelevant. This is all semantics though as all I'm stating which has caused another bout of Envoysteria is that what happened yesterday or today doesn't guarantee tomorrow. Same for ANY AAG regional flow "projection". Supposedly the E-175 arrival is theoretically supposed to trigger 30/month metered to a minimum of 50%, yes ?
30/month is 360 and 50% of 750 is 375. But, last I read from Envoy management it was "200-300" which is short of the Mason dance from just weeks ago. Let's see what occurs in January. If it's only 20, that's not a good sign of 360-375 for 2016.
Upset ? Why would I be upset ? Although I wanted to get to AA sooner (who wouldn't), I did OK at Eagle during the "lost decade" driving to work for $80-110K/year and am fine with my existence now. I hope those junior to me do better then I did, but whether they do or not, it wont change my situation. I look forward, not backward and my points about Envoy and the flow is that NO ONE can say with any guarantees what occurs forward of today.
You planning to flow ?
Well, then I'd rethink trumpeting those 90 options for "The new seven five's". That will only SLOW your advancement at AA once you get there as guess what they will be replacing...................YOU. Since you'll be hideously junior, it will likely then be I that tells YOU how sorry I am you are upset.
You've convinced yourself of certainties in the future and considering your present existence, I can understand that. From what Envoy pilots say at EL, it's sounds like a pretty chaotic existence there now and is likely about to get worse when your MEC once again cow-tow's to management and gives them Satellite bases(s) while RSV goes unchanged or unimproved. As another used to say here...........
Good Luck !
30/month is 360 and 50% of 750 is 375. But, last I read from Envoy management it was "200-300" which is short of the Mason dance from just weeks ago. Let's see what occurs in January. If it's only 20, that's not a good sign of 360-375 for 2016.
Upset ? Why would I be upset ? Although I wanted to get to AA sooner (who wouldn't), I did OK at Eagle during the "lost decade" driving to work for $80-110K/year and am fine with my existence now. I hope those junior to me do better then I did, but whether they do or not, it wont change my situation. I look forward, not backward and my points about Envoy and the flow is that NO ONE can say with any guarantees what occurs forward of today.
You planning to flow ?
Well, then I'd rethink trumpeting those 90 options for "The new seven five's". That will only SLOW your advancement at AA once you get there as guess what they will be replacing...................YOU. Since you'll be hideously junior, it will likely then be I that tells YOU how sorry I am you are upset.
You've convinced yourself of certainties in the future and considering your present existence, I can understand that. From what Envoy pilots say at EL, it's sounds like a pretty chaotic existence there now and is likely about to get worse when your MEC once again cow-tow's to management and gives them Satellite bases(s) while RSV goes unchanged or unimproved. As another used to say here...........
Good Luck !
The satellite bases are a get for 80-100 pilots. It is not the least bit concessionary. IMO we need to use what little leverage we have. If you agree with me, e mail your reps and or MEC
11-12-2015, 06:57 AM
#99
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
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I don't know exactly what the point of your continued posting is.
Okay we get it.
The flow worked for you, but Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Fact still remains, looking at the regional landscape, a new hires best option is probably PDT or ENY. No one is suggesting they don't continue to apply to the big 3 off the street. If you get hired by United or delta off the street first by all means leave. Like you said making 80-110k while waiting for AA/United/delta (even if flow projections don't live up to the hype) isn't that bad.
Your ruining this entire forum with your incessant posting.
Convincing people not to come to ENY serves no purpose, but it's obviously part of some misguided self-serving mission your on.
Okay we get it.
The flow worked for you, but Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Fact still remains, looking at the regional landscape, a new hires best option is probably PDT or ENY. No one is suggesting they don't continue to apply to the big 3 off the street. If you get hired by United or delta off the street first by all means leave. Like you said making 80-110k while waiting for AA/United/delta (even if flow projections don't live up to the hype) isn't that bad.
Your ruining this entire forum with your incessant posting.
Convincing people not to come to ENY serves no purpose, but it's obviously part of some misguided self-serving mission your on.
11-12-2015, 07:04 AM
#100
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,364
I don't know exactly what the point of your continued posting is.
Okay we get it.
The flow worked for you, but Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Fact still remains, looking at the regional landscape, a new hires best option is probably PDT or ENY. No one is suggesting they don't continue to apply to the big 3 off the street. If you get hired by United or delta off the street first by all means leave. Like you said making 80-110k while waiting for AA/United/delta (even if flow projections don't live up to the hype) isn't that bad.
Your ruining this entire forum with your incessant posting.
Convincing people not to come to ENY serves no purpose, but it's obviously part of some misguided self-serving mission your on.
Okay we get it.
The flow worked for you, but Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Fact still remains, looking at the regional landscape, a new hires best option is probably PDT or ENY. No one is suggesting they don't continue to apply to the big 3 off the street. If you get hired by United or delta off the street first by all means leave. Like you said making 80-110k while waiting for AA/United/delta (even if flow projections don't live up to the hype) isn't that bad.
Your ruining this entire forum with your incessant posting.
Convincing people not to come to ENY serves no purpose, but it's obviously part of some misguided self-serving mission your on.
I rather have the flow in my back pocket while applying to UA, DL and AA. But hey, if someone wants to go to Xjet, Rah, TSA, AWAC, etc and don't have any plan Z (the flow) by all means good luck to them, it's their decision.
Like I said, envoy pilots can be hired off the street into AA.
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