Envoy closes 3 bases in 3 years. 2 left!
03-18-2015, 06:16 AM
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Endeavor (Pinnacolaba) Let's see, off the top of my head, Pinnacle, MEM, MSP, DTW, ATL, JFK.... Mesaba, MSP, DTW, CVG, MEM, LGA ( CWA, RHI, years back) Colgan, IAH, EWR, IAD, BOS, CRW, ALB, and the pile of outstation bases I can't remember..... Today, MSP, DTW, JFK/LGA.... over 3000 pilots, now 1500, down to 110ish planes and still dropping... We feel your pain. At least we might have hit bottom finally here
03-18-2015, 06:25 AM
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Since before the PSA (or envoy) pilot votes AAGs goal was for PSA to be the operator of the Bombardier products and envoy to be the operator of the Embraer products. That goal hasn't changed.
There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.
There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.
But I agree that there is a long term plan for Envoy which involves us being the E-175 operator. In fact, AA said as much in their last meeting with Envoy. But first there is a size they need to get us down to.
03-18-2015, 11:24 AM
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Ex comair buddy says couple of psa big wigs over at CVG flight safety checking out the E175 sim.
03-18-2015, 11:35 AM
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03-18-2015, 11:38 AM
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03-18-2015, 11:49 AM
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Interesting analysis, and one that I agree with. Only thing I'm not 100% sold on is a merger. I assume you mean Envoy merging with Piedmont. But that would reduce the company's ability to whipsaw.
But I agree that there is a long term plan for Envoy which involves us being the E-175 operator. In fact, AA said as much in their last meeting with Envoy. But first there is a size they need to get us down to.
But I agree that there is a long term plan for Envoy which involves us being the E-175 operator. In fact, AA said as much in their last meeting with Envoy. But first there is a size they need to get us down to.
03-18-2015, 11:58 AM
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Since before the PSA (or envoy) pilot votes AAGs goal was for PSA to be the operator of the Bombardier products and envoy to be the operator of the Embraer products. That goal hasn't changed.
There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.
There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.
03-18-2015, 03:28 PM
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03-18-2015, 03:37 PM
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Merge one super senior pilot group with another? Don't think so. I see an "asset" transfer. Grow PDT similar to how they grew PSA. Keep moving Envoy aircraft to PDT and have their upgrade time artificially drop. Now you have a bunch of upgrading captains who are going to be at a pay grade lower than captains at Envoy. Keep doing this and route all new-applicants (by their own choice) to PDT. Get Envoy to a manageable size and shut it down, ridding themselves of the gummers.
03-18-2015, 09:57 PM
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Merge one super senior pilot group with another? Don't think so. I see an "asset" transfer. Grow PDT similar to how they grew PSA. Keep moving Envoy aircraft to PDT and have their upgrade time artificially drop. Now you have a bunch of upgrading captains who are going to be at a pay grade lower than captains at Envoy. Keep doing this and route all new-applicants (by their own choice) to PDT. Get Envoy to a manageable size and shut it down, ridding themselves of the gummers.
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