AnotherEagleGuy

While I'm not completely convinced he is, stating it he is not does not bring proof to the table.

Although Mason32, like Cujo, has been very quite lately.

N927EV

It's easy to say that and encourage everyone to vote no when you have your foot in a life boat called AA. I thought the union was supposed to be neutral? They were far from it.

buddies8

dont mislead, all envoy pilots on property as of october 2011 have one foot in a life boat called AA. But your working on getting the rest to vote yes next time it comes around, but you fail to give credit to the previous eagle leadership of 8 years who did nothing but sell out this pilot group and lie on a daily basis to the pilots. Besides if i remember corectly they did not side on either side of the TA they left it to the pilots to vote.

Bzzt

I'm not sure that the protected pilot group actually has a foot in the AA lifeboat. Time will tell but I seriously doubt that flow will be honored until after an arbitration battle similar to the 824.

N927EV

I went to a couple different events that union hosted. They were far from
Neutral.

Bzzt

If you're currently a CA at Envoy I think you'll probably keep your seat and end up flowing. If you're a FO I think you should be looking at any opportunity elsewhere including a lateral move. These failed negotiations hurt the FOs most, there won't be upgrades and if you're counting on a flow to AA you better hope to god the company exists long enough to accommodate you.

AllisonRR

We were going to lose the asset grievance anyways, the settlement that you talk about is by no means a lifeboat.

At this rate no one from the Protected Pilot Agreement will go to American.

If you think that eagle will be here for the remaining 6-1/2 yr contract you are living in denial. You want to crucify past administrations start with your Negotiating committee chair Herb Mark. He brought the deal to us and through his tenure he did absolutely nothing, from that point forward you can throw stones all you want.

People have short term memory or they weren't here when all of this happened. The lies we were told then aren't any worse than today; however, the results will be far far more damaging than ever.

Saabs

if envoy shuts down do the protected flows get to flow still? What if they were at spirit or virgin, do they still get to flow?

AllisonRR

No; the LOAs, contract or any grievance awards are null and void. If you would like to verify that information call the Euless office and ask for the staff lawyers I'm sure they will tell you the truth. Their job is on the line too.

BE19Pilot

The last act has not played out in the Envoy drama yet...There is still almost 2.5 years before the first 175 theoretically shows up at EN. Don't be surprised to see Envoy and AAG going back to the table and this time a deal WILL be crafted that the pilots WILL sign this time. The caveat, is this deal will be cheaper than the one the pilots rejected twice previously. AAG does not want to retain the ERJ-140/145 fleet, and I maintain they still want the remaining E-175s, plus any options on Envoys certificate. Isn't it obvious to those of you that can stop playing internet games that AAG wants TWO fleet-types and TWO certificates...ONLY. The end result is a streamlined, consolidated operation with cheaper labor. I have seen this "movie" before at "Pinnacolaba" where DAL very, very shrewdly manipulated our pilot groups into a "wham-bam" contract negotiation ( FIVE years PNCL Corp. had the pilots twisting in the wind with an amenable contract, and inside 6 weeks we had a TA with an integrated seniority list and a no-holds-barred open bidding process that created a ridiculous training bubble that cost MILLIONS ). The resulting bankruptcy through a debtor in possession process gave Delta equity, control and cheap lift with 81 CRJ-900s and got rid of the Colgan certificate to boot.
So, all of you at Envoy that are firing broadsides at STW on FB and other forums need to stop, think and re-evaluate exactly what the airline's strategic business goals are and how they will work to reach these goals.