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09-11-2014, 05:28 AM
#222
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 316
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
09-11-2014, 05:34 AM
#223
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: Mannin' deez blenps
Posts: 193
I'm very familiar with all the "bridge" programs and the like from that time period, and no one got hired without an interview, medical examination, and a thorough investigative background check, no matter how much flight time they had. Standards were lowered eventually somewhat, but to nowhere near the level of PSA or Mesa.
But, yes, tools unfortunately fell through the cracks here like anywhere, but luckily the cracks seem to be narrower here.
But, yes, tools unfortunately fell through the cracks here like anywhere, but luckily the cracks seem to be narrower here.
09-11-2014, 06:18 AM
#224
Voice of Reason
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
Couple of questions...
Serious questions... (No really, cuz I'm a noob)
I thought the 1500 hour rule for 121 just kicked in last month (meaning all FOs had to have a min 1500 or some type of restricted ATP to fly). Before that couldn't you be a FO with 300 hours or so?
(1) What was the average TT for a new FO 20 years ago (prior to 9/11 and a busted market)?
(2) What was the average for guys 5 years ago when everything was stagnant?
I thought the 1500 hour rule for 121 just kicked in last month (meaning all FOs had to have a min 1500 or some type of restricted ATP to fly). Before that couldn't you be a FO with 300 hours or so?
(1) What was the average TT for a new FO 20 years ago (prior to 9/11 and a busted market)?
(2) What was the average for guys 5 years ago when everything was stagnant?
09-11-2014, 06:39 AM
#225
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,924
Because that was not the intent of outsourced work that regionals are supposed to do. There is absolutely a huge reason why one cannot make a regional career choice, see Envoy and Comair as evidence. Regionals are all competing with each other for the same legacy flying and it's all a matter of who can do it cheapest. Todays regional winners can easily become tomorrows losers and vice versa. Can you peg a 30+ year career on that bet?
09-11-2014, 07:05 AM
#226
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Left
Posts: 1,809
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
An FO at PSA will have a higher number on their W2(with more days off) at 42ish/hour than any other regional at 47/hour......
But hey, at least everyone else is flooded with internet beers.
09-11-2014, 08:04 AM
#227
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Nope. Not true at all. Quite a few regionals, as desperate as they all are, will not lower their standards and subject their passengers to increased risk because they hired a tool. Envoy is one of them. Skywest has been picky as well, and they need pilots pretty bad.
Just because there is a shortage of pilots doesn't make it okay to hire anyone with a pulse, ala PSA and Mesa.
Just because there is a shortage of pilots doesn't make it okay to hire anyone with a pulse, ala PSA and Mesa.
It's not just Mesa and PSA.
09-11-2014, 09:21 AM
#228
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Position: Widebelly FO
Posts: 560
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
09-11-2014, 09:33 AM
#229
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: EMB145 CA
Posts: 484
Well it was 5-6 years no too long ago and could change with the slightest hick-up in the economy. Never bet on a quick up grade, but be prepared for it! Go somewhere you can tolerate in case you get stuck.
09-11-2014, 10:35 AM
#230
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 610
There is a COLA raise every year. It's not enough to cover the actual COLA but it is there.
An FO at PSA will have a higher number on their W2(with more days off) at 42ish/hour than any other regional at 47/hour......
But hey, at least everyone else is flooded with internet beers.
An FO at PSA will have a higher number on their W2(with more days off) at 42ish/hour than any other regional at 47/hour......
But hey, at least everyone else is flooded with internet beers.
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