JoMama

I never said every single month. I said up until the end of August I was on tract to make $120K but decided to ease up for September. The SAP plus a weeks vacation led to the 20+ days off in September.

You need to read more clearly what I wrote and not jump to your own conclusion and then immediatly go on the attack.

I also know of more senior Captains at PSA who will make $150k this year. And no, it's not adding in all the things you mentioned. Until you know our contract and how it works, and I'll admit even I don't understand every word, it's easy to make broad statements like many do here about how we lowered the bar. Life is pretty good here and getting better by the day now that the leader at the top has been replaced.

Spoiler

If Mark Twain were alive he would rephrase his statement about the certainty of death and income taxes to include "regional pilots will always get snookered" and of course defend their actions as honorable and intelligent on Internet forums

thefoxsays

If PSA has such a great and "costly" contract, why does AAG want planes at the lowest cost carrier(s).

Everyone touting the PSA contract is so great, must be fooling themselves.

fullflank

Excuse me, I thought that taking any concessions during times of profitability was a step backwards and completely unacceptable. It's okay for Skywest though? Give me a break. You idiots on here have at it. Good luck I'm punching out of this dumb @ss website.

JustAMushroom

Read what he said. They did not take a concession. Sorry you're just going to have to find another way to rationalize your behavior. Your prior post even called it a pay freeze, which is also wrong. But even that assumption would not be a concession.

You'll have to find some other excuse.

JT8D

You're fighting a losing battle and you know it. Might as well resort to name calling. Go ahead and "punch out" if you wish. Your PSA colleagues are so widely hated now that you will feel compelled to return here to aid them soon.

JohnLocke

Personally I think the bickering and name calling is unbecoming, for both sides. Its getting a bit out of hand in my opinion, Envoy guys don't lose your upstanding and professional reputation on these dumb boards. Instead take solace in knowing that actions speak louder than words and trust that the whole industry has taken note not only of what PSA did but the rude, smart aleck and borderline retaliative behavior SOME (hopefully the minority) display here.

Anyway the joke will be on them soon enough, as the music will stop at these companies biting off more than they can chew. Classes are full right now only because those getting on now will presumably be able to upgrade quickly. However this window is swiftly closing and I doubt people will be flocking to PSA to be on the tail end of a hiring wave after the chance for a quick upgrade has come and gone. Same goes for Mesa and even Compass. Once this happens the promise of a quick upgrade stops and the companies start to look for other solutions to keep the metal moving. There just won't be enough new hires to backfill the bottom FO seats that are needed to keep the quick upgrade train moving in the coming years, that you can count on. A good amount of new hires in these classes for all three companies are coming from stagnant regionals, this source of pilots will dry up soon enough once the chance for a quick upgrade has come and gone because those who have been in the industry for even a small amount of time know better.

BSOuthisplace

I agree with your first paragraph. The second, not so much.

Airlines like Mesa and GoJets have existed for ages and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. Their very existence is dependent upon their ability to churn pilots through the operation and spit them out to a major airline job quickly, and they do this quite well. I can't tell you how many younger mainline pilots I've run across with the same story. They spent 2-3 years at a **** hole like Mesa or GreatLakes, quick upgrade, 1000 tpic, and they make the move to the majors. Meanwhile I'm sitting here with 4k+ hrs in the right seat with upgrade just now in sight. Guys at Envoy, XJT, AirWisconsin probably have similar stories.

Lesson is don't get comfy at a regional. The road ahead will be littered with the grave stones of various regional airlines as our corner of the industry consolidates. I'm willing to bet airlines like PSA and Mesa will be around till the end. There are always those willing to sacrifice QOL for the quick upgrade and movement to mainline, and once at a major no one cares where you came from as long as you didn't cross a picket line.

Ar Pilot

This. Almost every younger, mainline FO I've come across while commuting has a similar story. Was at stagnate regional A, jumped to crappy regional B. Upgraded and used their contacts to get to a major before their counterparts at regional A even upgraded.

JT8D

Well good luck with that then!