Originally Posted by ClappedOut145

As long as Jane is around, you can be sure that PBS is set in favor of the company as much as possible. She is a vile and horrid woman who enjoys suffering, which she creates around her.

Originally Posted by Ravenwing

I understand DTS is the reason it has taken so long to reach an agreement on PBS, but there is no reason to believe it is going away completely. Envoy flights attendants have PBS and are able to slide their vacation and add 4 extension days to it. Spirit also has NavBlue PBS and they can slide their vacation and add 2 extension days.

You may not be able to drop as much flying with whatever rules ALPA agreed to, but you will be able to drop more than your vacation time. PBS is payment for the huge pilot pay raises in 2022.

Originally Posted by ClappedOut145

As long as Jane is around, you can be sure that PBS is set in favor of the company as much as possible. She is a vile and horrid woman who enjoys suffering, which she creates around her.

Originally Posted by Buford Justice

No reason to freak out at this point. The fact that it took years to get to this point should indicate a reasonable agreement was reached. Also came from another 121 life, and yeah, work rules are the key here.
1. hopefully were using a quality system
2. we need a better mix of 1 2 and 3 day trips for better QOL
3. hopefully no single days off unless waived by pilot, including reserves.
4. a week of vacation will currently get you 2 weeks off. We need a way for that to be preserved using pbs. At the former company, you could bid "vacation low" which gave your vacation week a virtual credit of 37 hours. It worked great.

This can be a great thing for both sides, if done properly. But my question is, why would we need to give anything up to get PBS? If anything, the current situation where we don't need pilots is only a temporary pause in hiring. Envoy still needs to do things to attract and retain talent...which brings me to my biggest gripe...hotels. Goodness gracious...we neeed long/short hotel language,like *SkyWest* cough cough

Originally Posted by Old Dude

A PBS system where the company controls the building of the pairings versus pilots controlling buildings of the pairings is a very bad choice. Currently the company builds 4 day trips worth about 18 hours. If we could control building pairings, we could have 4 day trips worth 24 hours. What that means is we could have schedules containing 3 four day trips per month, that’s 12 days of work and you would have your 72 hour guarantee.

Originally Posted by Satoshikitty

Edit: Oh and I should add that it was heavily implied, that if we voted it down, we can expect some of the previously agreed perks to go away...

Originally Posted by Ravenwing

It explicitly states in the letter of agreement that the conditions ALPA agreed to in exchange for PBS in 2022 (higher pay, 12 days off, duty and trip rigs, full deadhead pay) immediately become null and void if the pilot group fails to ratify PBS. The nice thing about the new vacation expansion with PBS is you are pay protected for min guarantee when you use it and you can decide at the beginning of the year which 3 days you will expand to knowing you will most likely get more days off in a row. In order to get paid for trips dropped with DTS outside your vacation you need to use sick time.

I bet management would love an excuse to cut our pay considering the current state of the airline industry.

Originally Posted by Old Dude

If they can't reason with us , they resolve to threats. The only thing that will happen is that they go back to the negotiating table and we may get a better deal.