Cujo665

it doesn't matter what rules you think you've agreed to. Any - ANY - ambiguity ANYWHERE will be exploited throughout the agreement and sent to grievance and arbitration so they can push the 10 yard line farther in their favor. So, do not look at the final LOA as the actual final agreement on how it works. Your management team can not be trusted to do anything except find ways to push the needle more in their favor. ALPA is a toothless tiger at the regional level; management knows it.

dera

That would mean giving up 13-13, which would be dumb. It's one of the few things at Envoy that's actually industry leading. We fought hard to keep that during COVID, and won.

DTS can easily live with PBS, those things are not mutually exclusive unless it is bargained away.

dera

"Once per flight sequence".
You remember that one for reserve turnbacks?

Cujo665

I remember dozens of grievances that went to settlement or arbitration and pushed the needle farther in their favor. To them, a grievance is just an opportunity to grab more than they did at the bargaining table. G.i. Jane summed it up best.... the pilot CBA is more of a guideline.....
as long as she remains, scheduling will never really improve much. She does not know how to innovate and adapt. She won't learn new more efficient ways that woukd help both sides. It's her way or the highway. She keeps all other upper management away so nobody knows her job well enough to replace her. As a result everybody from VP to CEO marches to what Jane says.... with rare exceptions.

Other regionals have done away with ready reserve entirely, don't have Junior manning, and reserves can grab trips from open time up to 6 dats in advance and drop it in their schedule. If it starts a day early, call and they'll break it up, or give you the OT on the day before. Reserves have much more control of their schedules. None of this 5pm finding out you have a 0530 ready reserve or 0500 show time the next day. Thats just a lazy scheduling manager.

dera

Jane truly is one of the most inept, vile and disgusting human beings in the whole industry. I would be glad if she steps on a lego brick every morning she gets out of bed.
JE, MB and RW leaving would give Envoy the chance to unleash its potential, as I still think it has a lot of it. But as long as that dynamic trio is running the show, it'll always be a ****hole, and it will likely never improve because JE is too dumb to learn anything new in scheduling, MB will always be a failed lawyer who hates pilots, and RW is an egoistical nutjob.

Anyway, that "once per flight sequence" reference was for reserve turnbacks (R1 add code). In the contract it says in plain english that a reserve crewmember can only be turned back once per trip. No ifs, buts, grey area, ambiguity, just once per trip.
Management then decided this is not what they wanted, so they started turning back reserves multiple times and claimed "once per flight sequence" is not what they really meant. It went to arbitration, and they pulled an old email that had a sentence highlighted, and said no matter what the words on the CBA say, this email screenshot proves they are right. And obviously the arbitraitor agreed with them.

IrishWop

Alright, it's been over a week. The people need answers...

Pb175

Latest update I got a few days ago was is that they are back to having classes in October again (starting on the 7th). They get new requests/updates every friday from the training department for how many they want. It seems to be very fluid (+/- 1 month from Oct) so they may start up as early as September or go back to November. The Class Prep team told me to give them a call at the end of August if I have not heard anything by then so I would suggest that everyone one of us do that so we can maybe put some pressure on them to give us more information.

With the retirements at all the airlines and UAL saying they want to hire "3,000" pilots next year (idk how they plan on doing that), they have to get started on training sooner than later or they will be caught woefully unprepared. Plus the MAX 7 & 10 will possibly be certified by next summer so that is hopeful.

Newwings98

With that being said do we know the last interview dates that have gotten a class dates? or How big the pool is? I was an early May interview and just curious.

Pb175

Right now it seems that if you were assigned May, June, or July orientation that we will be assigned a class date in that order once they start up (cadets first then the rest). There is probably 130-150 people between the three of those groups waiting now. I think they finished filling the July orientation in early May or maybe even late April. So anyone who interviewed or cadets who finished their hours will fall in line after those groups. My guess as of now is that the May people will fill up the October classes (if they still have them), June people will fill up November & December classes, and July people will fill up Jan & Feb. This of course all depends on the size of the classes, major airlines starting classes again or continuing to pause, aircraft delivery, the economy, etc. and can swing either way. So if you interviewed in May or are a cadet that finished in May and beyond it will most likely be in Feb or March that you start unless things change. So plan for the worst and hope for the best and I will try to keep getting updates as I can!

Cujo665

I remember. We got screwed several times by arbitrators.