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Old 07-11-2024, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDP
Is that number of unfilled FO vacancies typical? Whats the general vacancy number for it to seem healthy?
I count 39 fewer unfilled FO vacancies in July than in April, about 87 overall in July compared to 126 in April and 164 in January. I added up all the posted FO vacancies and subtracted all the FO awards. I think they have predicted a slightly reduced demand due to reduced attrition which is to be expected. I think it's still a healthy demand to keep training new pilots, but I am not an expert.
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Old 07-11-2024, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by feelthebern
What's the wait currently for a class date?

Have my interview early October.

You ask an impossible question considering Envoy suddenly stopped running Orientation groups a few months ago and pilots who were predicted to have May and June Orientation dates still don't have Indoc dates. Envoy has slowed down pilot training for the summer, I don't think they have run interviews in months but they have a lot of pilots waiting without dates. I think Envoy plans last minute and just notifies the people they need 2-3 weeks out. Also, things will likely change before October.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best.
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Old 07-15-2024, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by feelthebern
What's the wait currently for a class date?

Have my interview early October.

I'm in training at ABX right now, but still want to have options incase ABX is really slow.

Not sure if it would be worth lateraling to Envoy with the goal being majors, especially with how my seniority is going to be riding this growth wave from Amazon planes/the slow down of having to restart going through another training event...
You will get to a legacy much faster from ABX than Envoy, assuming you dont have 4 dead hookers in your closet.
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Old 07-15-2024, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You will get to a legacy much faster from ABX than Envoy, assuming you dont have 4 dead hookers in your closet.
So 3 is the limit…
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Old 07-17-2024, 07:36 AM
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Anyone hearing anything new? Last we heard, I think Sept is when training should pickup...right?
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Old 07-17-2024, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AGDP
Anyone hearing anything new? Last we heard, I think Sept is when training should pickup...right?
After the indoc this past monday, there won't be any more indocs until the end of September (the 23rd) and then there will be back to larger classes after that starts back up.
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Old 07-17-2024, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pb175
After the indoc this past monday, there won't be any more indocs until the end of September (the 23rd) and then there will be back to larger classes after that starts back up.
Source?....
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Old 07-17-2024, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You will get to a legacy much faster from ABX than Envoy, assuming you dont have 4 dead hookers in your closet.
Curious why you say this, everyone says I'll be flying more at Envoy than ABX with a quicker upgrade. Is there not much attrition from Envoy to Delta, United right now? (Obviously not to American)
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Old 07-17-2024, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by feelthebern
Curious why you say this, everyone says I'll be flying more at Envoy than ABX with a quicker upgrade. Is there not much attrition from Envoy to Delta, United right now? (Obviously not to American)
I haven't heard of anyone going to United or Delta from Envoy since January. I know a pilot who went to the last Southwest class in March. Attrition has almost completely stopped. I don't know what they're looking for right now but they have raised the bar dramatically. They are probably hiring Spirit captains. We do have 10 pilots retiring this year and 33 in 2025. We used to be able to view an ALPA seniority list that showed the pilots who had recently resigned, but the Pilot Dashboard and Pilot Status list that replaced it doesn't have that feature. My seniority number has barely changed in 6 months.

I flew with an FO recently who said he reached 950 121 hours in about a year and a half on the line by aggressively picking up overtime.
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Old 07-17-2024, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by crj700
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Rumors abound the schoolhouse that no more INDOCs till September, maybe later.
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