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Old 08-13-2023, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJD
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Well my current situation is, a successful employee at ExpressJet Airlines for three years up until the company shut down as a result of Covid. Then one year at Republic Airways where I was successful during initial training with no failures. Well. . . . looks like I tripped extremely badly with the recurrent qualification validation a year later. I approached it with the wrong study habits of two months prior studying and made quite a bid of mistakes. I didn't complete the MV on time. But finished it the following day. Then failed the Knowledge Validation (KV). Retook it and passed the following day. Then was the LOE where we get two attempts. I failed both attempts from pretty bad mistakes and LOE was also an unsatisfactory. So incomplete MV (non PRIA event), and failed KV & LOE (both are in PRIA records) all in one recurrency event. And I was asked to resign after that. So . . . . oops! That was definitely the worst slip in my airline career I ever made and it's possible that my events may not be forgiven.

I just submitted my application to Envoy hoping for a continuation after learning from my huge mistake and know the much better routine of staying prepared. Envoy would be Awesome for me as the ERJ-170 is my recent experience. Despite being a high time FO and above qualification for Captain upgrade (over 2600 hours in Part 121 time), I think i'm the one that shall continue to face TBNT's now from just about all the carriers now. Certainly in bad shape after the wrong approach to studying and preparing for recurrency at Republic. All I can do is just wait and see what they say when they review my app. Fingers crossed!
You can get through this. It's ok to take an honest step back and consider where you're at and why this mistake happened. What did you do before ExpressJet? If you don't have your CFI, consider getting it, CFII and MEI. Instructors are needed...
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Old 08-13-2023, 05:33 PM
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You can get through this. It's ok to take an honest step back and consider where you're at and why this mistake happened. What did you do before ExpressJet? If you don't have your CFI, consider getting it, CFII and MEI. Instructors are needed...
Actually I got all three of those. Just haven't instructed GA in years now so it's gonna be a long time to process it all back in me again. Prior to ExpressJet I worked Aerial Survey and worked all across the nation doing lots of unusual activities (Salary was $900/month). Prior was flight instructing in my home state of NJ. Student loads were pretty low, was barely flying twice a week, barely making $100/week.
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Old 08-14-2023, 07:00 AM
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You'll need a few years of positive training history at any certificated carrier. Don't forget places like Cape Air, Ameriflight, Planesense and so on.

Even PlaneSense just rejected my application and I was not selected for furthering. This recent 121 failure is extremely severe.
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Old 08-14-2023, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJD
Actually I got all three of those. Just haven't instructed GA in years now so it's gonna be a long time to process it all back in me again. Prior to ExpressJet I worked Aerial Survey and worked all across the nation doing lots of unusual activities (Salary was $900/month). Prior was flight instructing in my home state of NJ. Student loads were pretty low, was barely flying twice a week, barely making $100/week.
There are some good instructing jobs in NJ and around PHL. You could make decent money and make another run at 121/135 down the line if you don't get any bites right now. Instructor rates have gone up a similar percentage relative to regional rates.
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Old 08-14-2023, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJD
Even PlaneSense just rejected my application and I was not selected for furthering. This recent 121 failure is extremely severe.
I've literally never heard of anyone failing cq at an airline. Why didn't the union protect you?
If you don't mind would you expand on it a bit more? Ive done a dozen recurrents and only ever needed to study up on profiles like v1 cuts and such.
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Old 08-14-2023, 08:59 AM
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It's been strongly suggested that you seek professional counseling before you go any further. Have you done this, yet?

You can throw the football all day long, but unless it's inflated properly, you're wasting your time.
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Old 08-14-2023, 09:16 AM
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It's been strongly suggested that you seek professional counseling before you go any further. Have you done this, yet?

You can throw the football all day long, but unless it's inflated properly, you're wasting your time.
Emerald Coast, been with them all along.
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Old 08-14-2023, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bonesbrigade
I've literally never heard of anyone failing cq at an airline. Why didn't the union protect you?
If you don't mind would you expand on it a bit more? Ive done a dozen recurrents and only ever needed to study up on profiles like v1 cuts and such.
Like the lead stewards said to me over the phone "I suggest you start applying to carriers who are willing to take a chance with a guy like you!!".

The recurrent event, incomplete MV, and failed KV and LOE at the same time. It is the first failure in my 121 history but that combination in one recurrent qualification is pretty severe in my background!!
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Old 08-14-2023, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJD
Like the lead stewards said to me over the phone "I suggest you start applying to carriers who are willing to take a chance with a guy like you!!".
That is an unproductive and ridiculous thing for a steward to say.
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Old 08-14-2023, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJD
Emerald Coast, been with them all along.
How has Emerald Coast suggested you deal with your recent past?
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