wanttofly797

Are the DEC’s that are being hired making it through training for the most part. Will be current, study and an attitude to learn and be taught.

pitchattitude

The training is sufficient to get a competent pilot through. Some of the non line qualified instructors are hit and miss. All the seniority list instructors and check airmen are great. If you put the work in and have a good attitude, they will do everything they can and you can make it through. There are certainly some that don’t make it through and honestly there are some that take a bit longer to get weeded out than others.

JohnBurke

Don't forget to use your words; complete sentences. Punctuation matters.

Satoshikitty

I was in a class of 50+, almost all DECs (3 F/Os I think?), and 3 that I know of didn't make it. Of those 3, one quit because he didn't want to go to remedial training, and the other 2 were let go after IOE.

During my brief career, I have attended flight training with Flight Safety and 2 airlines, and I can tell you this: I have never experienced such disorganized, unstandardized training, anywhere!

However, as mentioned above, my experience with instructors was very positive, as they are all very nice and always willing to help if needed. A stark contrast to my previous airline training experience, 20 years ago.

I hadn't flown in 13 years, a friend of mine in almost 20 years, neither of us had any difficulty getting though training. As long as you study your flows, call-outs and procedures, and your judgement is sound, you will be fine ;-)

cfii2007

Stupid question, but how can you be fired after IOE?

JohnBurke

Do something stupid.

Not at Envoy, but I've seen people fired after OE following numerous F/O complaints, and I've seen people fired for doing anything from smearing their hotel room with feces to threatening crewmembers, drinking on the job, lying, screaming at hotel check-in staff. Line checks, unsafe behavior, damaging an airplane, even social media posts.

I've also seen an upgrade fail his LOFT ride after his upgrade training is all but done; there's no such thing as "non-jeopardy," no matter what anyone may tell you.

Ravenwing

In order to pass IOE as a DEC, you must pass a line check and Fed Ride. They are looking for people who act like a captain, exhibit sound judgment, who make their altitude and speed restrictions, and don’t bust any FARs or aircraft limitations. Even an FO can fail IOE if no line check airman will sign them off after lots of extra IOE time. It is not common to be let go after IOE, but there is more to being a good line pilot than the ability to pass a checkride.

All new captains at Envoy are required to get 50 hours of IOE, FOs get 25 hours of IOE. They will give you more if needed, but eventually someone is going to make a judgement call on you.

Satoshikitty

I should have said "During" IOE, since that's the part of the training they didn't pass... I would say that it's an unusual part of the training to fail, but it does happen. Poor judgement, inability to transfer your learned skills to the line, exceedingly poor CRM, absence of time management, etc.

Satoshikitty

oh-my-gawd! 😳

JohnBurke

Oh, that's tame compared to some.