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Old 11-12-2019, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
Oh it was most certainly reported to them as medium to poor braking action. Doesn’t matter what the RCAMs were an hour ago.
It was reported medium to poor way down the runway, and RCC 5/5/5.
They drifted off a few thousand feet before that poor report.

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Old 11-12-2019, 06:24 PM
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Not gonna change anything. You can’t decide ‘well, I wasn’t going to use that part of the runway’. That said, these things happen and will continue to. Not throwing stones...sometimes you have to use a little hindsight bias.

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Old 11-12-2019, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by YLpilot
Values were 5/5/5. It wasn't reported poor. But yes, 10kts is the limit.
For 9R it was 5/5/5 but for 10L it was worse, i don't remember the exact numbers, but something like 5/2/4 or 3/2/3, i went missed on 10C and lined up with 10L prior to this incident and was about to divert when then opened 9R and told me it was 5/5/5
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:26 PM
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Look at the aileron position. End of mystery in strong crosswind landings.
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Old 11-12-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by oldrebel
Look at the aileron position. End of mystery in strong crosswind landings.
The 145 will drift because of the high wing with no aileron input. More interesting, is the increasing reverse thrust (in the file audio) as the plane slides downwind. Perhaps counter-intuitively, you need to reduce the reverse when a downwind drift develops.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad
For 9R it was 5/5/5 but for 10L it was worse, i don't remember the exact numbers, but something like 5/2/4 or 3/2/3, i went missed on 10C and lined up with 10L prior to this incident and was about to divert when then opened 9R and told me it was 5/5/5
ATIS and ATC on landing clearance said 5/5/5. Those are the exact numbers.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
The 145 will drift because of the high wing with no aileron input. More interesting, is the increasing reverse thrust (in the file audio) as the plane slides downwind. Perhaps counter-intuitively, you need to reduce the reverse when a downwind drift develops.
Are you saying the left turn was unintentional? It wasn’t a high speed exit?
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Are you saying the left turn was unintentional? It wasn’t a high speed exit?
Doesn't appear to be. They were nowhere near a high speed exit
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
010 instead of 100 into an RA type thing basically.
Were both of these guys fired?
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:52 AM
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Are you saying the left turn was unintentional? It wasn’t a high speed exit?

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Doesn't appear to be. They were nowhere near a high speed exit
And yet they collapsed their RIGHT gear in the dirt, but not the LEFT? When they departed the runway to the left?
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