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pitchattitude 07-29-2019 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2861264)
I did not see any language regarding that addressed in the new LOAs so the old LOA regarding CA pay at bid award should be in tact.

Right. I didn’t think it had changed with THIS LOA. But I’d be willing to bet the company will want it back sometime soon.

The company giveth. The company taketh away.

highfarfast 07-29-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2861339)
Right. I didn’t think it had changed with THIS LOA. But I’d be willing to bet the company will want it back sometime soon.

The company giveth. The company taketh away.

I'd have to go back and check, but I don't think the company can just take that LOA away, or that provision of the LOA, like they could the bonuses.

Just looked it up. LOA 18-02. Nothing I can see in it regarding an expiration date or a "void if" or a notice of termination or anything. I don't see how they can just pull the carpet on that one without union agreement... perhaps they'll offer a couple more flows?

pitchattitude 07-29-2019 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2861356)
I'd have to go back and check, but I don't think the company can just take that LOA away, or that provision of the LOA, like they could the bonuses.

Just looked it up. LOA 18-02. Nothing I can see in it regarding an expiration date or a "void if" or a notice of termination or anything. I don't see how they can just pull the carpet on that one without union agreement... perhaps they'll offer a couple more flows?

I’m thinking more along the lines of “So you want to talk about reserve rules...”

buddies8 07-29-2019 12:46 PM

Curious, how long do new hires spend on reserve per base and equipment.

highfarfast 07-29-2019 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2861380)
I’m thinking more along the lines of “So you want to talk about reserve rules...”

Oh I know. I was being a bit sarcastic. Seems this union has flow on the brains.

highfarfast 07-29-2019 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2861392)
Curious, how long do new hires spend on reserve per base and equipment.

It's not just about how long new hires are on reserve. If reserve is nice enough that a few more senior guys bid for it, it reduces the time for someone junior to hold a line. And for the rest of us, we move up the seniority list in relation to lines we can hold as well.

****ty reserve life effects all of us.

dera 07-29-2019 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2861392)
Curious, how long do new hires spend on reserve per base and equipment.

Shortest is DFW 175, 2-3 months.
Longest (ignoring the CRJ) is DFW 145, around 18 months.

pitchattitude 07-29-2019 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2861410)
Shortest is DFW 175, 2-3 months.
Longest (ignoring the CRJ) is DFW 145, around 18 months.

Once again goes to show how different life is between the fleets.

Of course with the NY changes it will be a complete wild card. And that will filter through the other bases as well.

And don’t forget what LAX will do to the mix. Or at least the rumors of it.

Cujo665 07-29-2019 01:47 PM

They’ve been promising to work diligently to fix reserve since 2013.
Their promises aren’t worth spit.

In 2012 they promised a new fleet of E175’s in exchange for the bankruptcy concessions....

Then in December 2013, three months after taking over as new CEO, Fabregas demanded more concessions for the planes promised in 2012, under threat of being ComairII if we didn’t.

Cujo665 07-29-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by GoFast8 (Post 2861254)
Technically it is. It's just a very very small raise.

Using 75 hours/month for a year. Not including per diem.
75hrs x 12 months = 900 hrs/ year

Old Pay
$38.66 x 900hrs = $34,794

New Pay
$50.21 x 900hrs = $45,189

Total Raise Per Year
$10,395

Old pay included a $20,000 retention bonus, paid out over 2 years making it $10,000/year of bonus

So that's a $395/year raise....making it a whopping $0.43/hour raise (approx)

Somebody make a $.43 cent logo or sticker.....


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