A lot of people did think that and that's why we are here. They called their union reps and said take the deal now, now on fb complaining.

Y'all are missing the point. Yeah, if you're going to get pay raises, then you're going to lose the discretionary bonus. That should have been clear as day. That's how it worked at 9E, so I get it.

Where your MEC blew it is not letting y'all vote on it first.

Let's see who's being getting all the money,
F/O new hire bonus, retention bonus, equipment bonus, awarded upgrade immediate pay increase to capt pay rates, a12 travel to and from work and hotels for new hire in lga.flow faster.
Capt, hmmmmmm, must have missed that email, nothing.
Just checking to see whom I am to have sympathy for for loosing retention bonus. Just a factual observation.

FO Retention Bonus

After one year of service it's $20,000 paid quarterly at $2,500.

If you were hired but have not yet reached "one year of service" then you're basically screwed out of every penny even with the last retention payment, Correct?

Funny how a bonus being rolled over into your hourly rate is considered a raise.

Technically it is. It's just a very very small raise.

Using 75 hours/month for a year. Not including per diem.
75hrs x 12 months = 900 hrs/ year

Old Pay
$38.66 x 900hrs = $34,794

New Pay
$50.21 x 900hrs = $45,189

Total Raise Per Year
$10,395

Old pay included a $20,000 retention bonus, paid out over 2 years making it $10,000/year of bonus

So that's a $395/year raise....making it a whopping $0.43/hour raise (approx)

For anyone hired in the last year that were not going to see the retention bonus for a year, it is still a raise. You see the money every pay check.

Everyone that is a new hire will see that money in every pay check as well.

Retention bonuses always lagged by several months as it was done by the quarter. Most FOs will upgrade before you see the last of the retention bonus at 37-39 months. This way the pay is immediate, so you in the first 24 months you will receive what would have been a year plus later, IF all of it was received.

It is still better and if you pick up any OT at all it is reflected there as well.

What remains to be seen is if the CA pay at bid award remains.

I did not see any language regarding that addressed in the new LOAs so the old LOA regarding CA pay at bid award should be in tact.

What's the loa number

Bingo, by-laws require pilot vote for significant CBA changes.
If a 30% pay raise for FO’s isn’t significant pay rate changes, then the pilots will likely never have a right to vote on anything again.... it will only be the MEC being magnanimous to allow it.

Call national and DOL for breach of fiduciary responsibility and violation of by-laws.

How many other ALPA properties had pilot votes for these types of changes? Pretty sure 9E did.