Coming To Envoy Now Makes You The Problem
07-18-2019, 09:03 AM
#41
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You're not wrong but what happens when the flow stops, we're stuck at that. Also some lifers have been here since the 80s, more than 7 years.
07-18-2019, 10:05 AM
#42
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If the company didn’t think there was a chance we could have 12 year CAs again, they’d happily give those imaginary pilots a raise. The fact that they won’t is telling.
07-18-2019, 10:08 AM
#43
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I just want to go on record that I was wrong for the initial post and apologize for the tone. I had a moment of frustration and decided to vent it here, a mistake. NH’s are not the problem, managment is, something we can’t forget. The moment we start turning on each other is when things get really bad for us.
I am however happy the topic has evolved and is getting discussion going.
I am however happy the topic has evolved and is getting discussion going.
I'm late to this issue, and not an Envoy Employee...but what keeps most folks at Envoy after say 5-6 years? I know it's obviously "the flow"....but what makes a person think they "have to" wait for the flow? Most there seem motivated, well trained, skilled, etc. I can see the guy without a degree hanging on, or something that would keep them otherwise less competitive...but I wouldn't think that's most people.
07-18-2019, 11:28 AM
#44
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No harm, no foul. We all have to look in the mirror from time to time. Stuff like this comes from frustration. You wouldn't have so much passion about it if you hadn't poured so much into it.
I'm late to this issue, and not an Envoy Employee...but what keeps most folks at Envoy after say 5-6 years? I know it's obviously "the flow"....but what makes a person think they "have to" wait for the flow? Most there seem motivated, well trained, skilled, etc. I can see the guy without a degree hanging on, or something that would keep them otherwise less competitive...but I wouldn't think that's most people.
I'm late to this issue, and not an Envoy Employee...but what keeps most folks at Envoy after say 5-6 years? I know it's obviously "the flow"....but what makes a person think they "have to" wait for the flow? Most there seem motivated, well trained, skilled, etc. I can see the guy without a degree hanging on, or something that would keep them otherwise less competitive...but I wouldn't think that's most people.
And yes, I know we do get some of the UND and ERAU grads that are cadets.
07-18-2019, 11:45 AM
#45
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Worth remembering that the flow is a management tool. They get a boost in hiring and retention. The company offers this for their benefit alone. The fact that we might benefit isn't really their concern. If big hiring numbers and increased retention negate the need to raise wages and improve work rules for the pilots, then the tool was successful.
07-18-2019, 04:29 PM
#46
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What I am saying is that even with the additional benefit of flow, you guys are still getting hosed by management.
07-18-2019, 04:49 PM
#47
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The point went right over your head, which is that come Jan 1 when the additional raise from the last Republic COA kicks in, some one with just 3 years seniority at Republic will make more then anybody at Envoy. Plus most of those Republic CAs will move on too by 7 years.
What I am saying is that even with the additional benefit of flow, you guys are still getting hosed by management.
What I am saying is that even with the additional benefit of flow, you guys are still getting hosed by management.
07-18-2019, 08:55 PM
#48
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We get it bro. Compass is the bee’s knees and flow sucks. How bout this...if you went to Compass, be happy with it or leave. If you went to Envoy, be happy with it or leave. These arguments of my regional is better than your regional because of XYZ are a joke. They’re all regionals when it’s all said and done with.
07-18-2019, 10:49 PM
#49
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I agree
Will send some of you to work for other “regionals” for one week and you’ll be coming back to Envoy begging for your position back
07-19-2019, 02:10 AM
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