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Old 06-26-2019, 06:38 AM
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Sometime next year, approximately January, flow drops to 15 a month for roughly 10 months and then resumes at a rate of ~21/mo after that at current staffing levels. Do the math and best case scenario is less than 200 next year (unless something drastically changes).
Didn’t that grievance settlement extend the 29 a month to all? Was I misinformed? I thought that was a good settlement, but if all it did was get the MEC members to AA a few months earlier and left the rest unchanged then they should be tar & feathered....
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:40 AM
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Didn’t that grievance settlement extend the 29 a month to all? Was I misinformed? I thought that was a good settlement, but if all it did was get the MEC members to AA a few months earlier and left the rest unchanged then they should be tar & feathered....
No, only the PPs.
Drops to "no less than 15" after them for 10 months or so, then goes up to a number based on how many pilots on seniority list, currently 21 or 22 a month.
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Didn’t that grievance settlement extend the 29 a month to all? Was I misinformed? I thought that was a good settlement, but if all it did was get the MEC members to AA a few months earlier and left the rest unchanged then they should be tar & feathered....
If the last PP flows 6 months faster than the remaining pilot group flows 6 months faster. It helps out the end of the PPs and the rest of the pilot group more than those that were running the MEC at the time.
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No, only the PPs.
Drops to "no less than 15" after that for 10 months or so, then goes up to a number based on how many pilots on seniority list, currently 21 or 22 a month.
They effen gave away 50% of all new hires for an extra 4 guys a month but only for the protected pilots? YHGTBSM. WTF

We had to practically kill to get 50%, and they were honoring it, and even advertising the first few years about sending over 60% from Envoy. The MEC really did that?

Vote with your feet, or just suck it up until flow.
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:54 AM
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They effen gave away 50% of all new hires for an extra 4 guys a month but only for the protected pilots? YHGTBSM. WTF

We had to practically kill to get 50%, and they were honoring it, and even advertising the first few years about sending over 60% from Envoy. The MEC really did that?

Vote with your feet, or just suck it up until flow.
The grievance settlement did not give away anything. There has always been 3 groups of flows, the grievance settlement just increased the rate because company withheld pilots against the contract for a while.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
They effen gave away 50% of all new hires for an extra 4 guys a month but only for the protected pilots? YHGTBSM. WTF

We had to practically kill to get 50%, and they were honoring it, and even advertising the first few years about sending over 60% from Envoy. The MEC really did that?

Vote with your feet, or just suck it up until flow.
It was never 50% for everyone forever. 50% was for the protected pilot group only and the company wasn't sending 50% of those anyway, hence the grievance.

Moving the PP group out faster helps everyone flow faster. We can talk all day about whether the extra 4 per month for the PP group was worth what we gave up but it was an improvement in flow for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
They effen gave away 50% of all new hires for an extra 4 guys a month but only for the protected pilots? YHGTBSM. WTF

We had to practically kill to get 50%, and they were honoring it, and even advertising the first few years about sending over 60% from Envoy. The MEC really did that?

Vote with your feet, or just suck it up until flow.
I don't think they were ever honoring for the PPs, 824 yes but as soon as PPs came on they went to 25. The 60% was true but stretching the reality because they counted the group that flew over prior to any new hires at AA.

You were a status rep before you left eagle. I would like to ask that you stop union bashing. It may be time for you to move on. You did a lot while you were here but your comments recently are not helpful.
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Truth is fact and fact is the truth, dont fight it, caress it.
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
It was never 50% for everyone forever. 50% was for the protected pilot group only and the company wasn't sending 50% of those anyway, hence the grievance.

Moving the PP group out faster helps everyone flow faster. We can talk all day about whether the extra 4 per month for the PP group was worth what we gave up but it was an improvement in flow for everyone.
I know how the silos work; I helped create them. Thanks.

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