Company reneged on pay package
06-25-2019, 05:55 AM
#172
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This is how i don't get how the company sells that 5.5 year flow for someone who started recently. It just does not add up
06-25-2019, 06:16 AM
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So when they say that the ALPA projections don't take into consideration attrition or retirements they also don't take into account this type of thing that when it happens it essentially evens out with attrition or retirements .
This is how i don't get how the company sells that 5.5 year flow for someone who started recently. It just does not add up
This is how i don't get how the company sells that 5.5 year flow for someone who started recently. It just does not add up
Because their will still be movement. For the 1 month they are not taking anyone for the month of August their are still mandatory retirements and outside attrition. I would imagine this stuff happens every once in a while especially for fleet transitions
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06-25-2019, 06:24 AM
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Because their will still be movement. For the 1 month they are not taking anyone for the month of August their are still mandatory retirements and outside attrition. I would imagine this stuff happens every once in a while especially for fleet transitions
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06-25-2019, 06:48 AM
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Probably gonna see it again to a lesser extent when mainline gets rid of the 190s. AA also usually doesn’t run classes in December for new hires. The beat goes on. I would be counting the days until I flow, but the interactive list hasn’t been updated since March. Might’ve moved up another month since then.
06-25-2019, 07:01 AM
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There's one or two months a year that AA does not hire which means no WO flows. As far as union projections go, this seems to have the effect neutralizing the fact the union doesn't account for non-flow attrition which is why the union numbers are closer to being right than the company's.
Last year (or was it the year prior), AA did not hire for one month then hired double the norm on another month. Given our flow agreement is tied to lesser of a number per month or percentage of class per month, this had the effect of AA getting all the pilots they needed and letting the WO flow half as much over the two months.
But yay! We have flow!
Last year (or was it the year prior), AA did not hire for one month then hired double the norm on another month. Given our flow agreement is tied to lesser of a number per month or percentage of class per month, this had the effect of AA getting all the pilots they needed and letting the WO flow half as much over the two months.
But yay! We have flow!
06-25-2019, 07:14 AM
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So when they say that the ALPA projections don't take into consideration attrition or retirements they also don't take into account this type of thing that when it happens it essentially evens out with attrition or retirements .
This is how i don't get how the company sells that 5.5 year flow for someone who started recently. It just does not add up
This is how i don't get how the company sells that 5.5 year flow for someone who started recently. It just does not add up
That said, their current management is not somebody I would choose to work for go to END or PSA.
06-25-2019, 07:18 AM
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attrition is almost as much as flow. missing a few classes only stops 1/2 the attrition. You are losing about 600 pilots a year. Soon it slows to 250-300 flowing depending on cancelled classes, but still 300 or so leaving outside flow. Do the math. They could probably advertise an even shorter flow. Their projection is valid.... and I really hate hate hate saying they're right, because 95% of the time they screw crap up.
That said, their current management is not somebody I would choose to work for go to END or PSA.
That said, their current management is not somebody I would choose to work for go to END or PSA.
06-25-2019, 07:38 AM
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Many are still leaving to Delta, United, Fedex/UPS when over 2nd year; yes most of the 300 are junior, but you're still getting 50-100 yearly from higher up. That's another 275-550 over the same 5.5 years.
totals 1650-2200 over the 5.5 years.
their math works.
I had this same argument when they first said 5.5/2.5 over 5 years ago. Said the same thing then, the math works. I has worked fairly closely to their projection. On upgrades it worked even better with instant upgrades. That's fact. I was told I was wrong back then too by guys like you.
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