Company reneged on pay package
06-19-2019, 07:13 PM
#121
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Right, a good attorney would review the document, identify the weak points, make the company agree to defined terms. It’s literally what you pay an attorney to do with a contract. You’re weirdly proving my point.
06-20-2019, 03:37 AM
#123
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A reserve pilot on day two at 7 am would be released if he had an R1 and another pilot would be EX or JMed to fly the flight. Really? Is that the intent of 12 E1? Any and all legal and available reserve pilots should be used before JMs should be used.
06-20-2019, 04:01 AM
#124
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As I recall filing the Flow Through Grievance and thus 824 settlement were Wayne's idea. He's not as dumb as you think.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants
) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants
) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.
06-20-2019, 04:07 AM
#125
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I get your point but I prefer the company interpretation of 12 E1 over what the union tried to make it. It just makes sense.
A reserve pilot on day two at 7 am would be released if he had an R1 and another pilot would be EX or JMed to fly the flight. Really? Is that the intent of 12 E1? Any and all legal and available reserve pilots should be used before JMs should be used.
A reserve pilot on day two at 7 am would be released if he had an R1 and another pilot would be EX or JMed to fly the flight. Really? Is that the intent of 12 E1? Any and all legal and available reserve pilots should be used before JMs should be used.
06-20-2019, 04:39 AM
#126
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Once per flight sequence.... It was a reserve protection that was eroded away by the company. It wasn't the language that lost the arbitration but the fact that a Union member had taken it on his own to try to work a deal out with the company during the crafting of that language and was later told by the MEC to stop. That was all the arbitrator needed to say there may have been intent by the union to have this "unless no other reserves are available" put into the contract.
06-20-2019, 05:00 AM
#127
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As I recall filing the Flow Through Grievance and thus 824 settlement were Wayne's idea. He's not as dumb as you think.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants
) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.Letter 3 pilots were used and abused and sold out for over 10 years. 824 are the eagle rights who chose to stay at eagle. You benefiting at the expense of others. Hope you feel good.
06-20-2019, 05:31 AM
#128
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It also creates inefficient use of reserves because why assign a 4 day when you can pick and choose additional flying.
06-20-2019, 05:41 AM
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As I recall filing the Flow Through Grievance and thus 824 settlement were Wayne's idea. He's not as dumb as you think.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.
I benefited from that, and in fact all EGL/ ENY pilots have, since it's been expanded. Having rock solid language IS imperative, but AAG has a large room full of lawyers (other half is accountants
) who will spend the term of the contract looking to exploit anything and everyone. Three pilot negotiators and two ALPA lawyers don't have that luxury.
06-20-2019, 05:47 AM
#130
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. So why don’t you ask and fight for having a professional labor get hired and do the negotiating for Envoy. It always amazes me that pilot groups are dealing with multi billion dollar corporations that hire the best lawyers money can buy and we show up with 3-4 pilots that one or two may have had a quasi law degree that took a week course at Alpa national. Demand an outside labor law firm represent you that is paid by the envoy union and not Alpa national.
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