Company reneged on pay package
06-18-2019, 08:43 PM
#103
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I think we ought to be prepared for several months to go by before we see a fix unless this hits the news. It's going to be bloody.
06-18-2019, 08:49 PM
#104
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I can't answer this with fact. But walking away is a negotiation tactic. Talks are likely ceased at this point as the company is hoping to sweat the union out. However, I believe they miscalculated on this as the pilot group has unified rather than where at PDT, where they had divided into hold out for QOL vs take the money and fix problems later.
I think we ought to be prepared for several months to go by before we see a fix unless this hits the news. It's going to be bloody.
I think we ought to be prepared for several months to go by before we see a fix unless this hits the news. It's going to be bloody.
06-18-2019, 08:51 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
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I can't answer this with fact. But walking away is a negotiation tactic. Talks are likely ceased at this point as the company is hoping to sweat the union out. However, I believe they miscalculated on this as the pilot group has unified rather than where at PDT, where they had divided into hold out for QOL vs take the money and fix problems later.
I think we ought to be prepared for several months to go by before we see a fix unless this hits the news. It's going to be bloody.
I think we ought to be prepared for several months to go by before we see a fix unless this hits the news. It's going to be bloody.
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The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.
06-18-2019, 09:00 PM
#106
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The 20 FB-active pilots have unified, but it's not widespread. I just flew a trip with a CA who bragged about how much fuel he saves every single trip. "We will shut down the APU for 10 minutes, that saves us 30 pounds of fuel".
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The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.
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The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.
I usually am in agreement with your posts, just a heads up you’re about to get burned by senior captains in 3...2..1....
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06-18-2019, 09:10 PM
#107
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
For them, it's easy to blame new hires. They forget the double-digit seniority lifers, who either don't care, or are busy re-flying every flight on their flight simulator to see if they could've saved a bit more fuel than they did. Or are taking videos to see how close to the second they can time the second engine start to 2 minutes from takeoff.
Meanwhile, they will negotiate, they will figure out what happened with management, and they will come back with a new deal. And I can almost guarantee it includes backpay with the original date.
The latest MEC email suggests the same. Do your job, wait, and stop suggesting illegal work actions in public forums.
06-18-2019, 09:44 PM
#108
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Posts: 537
There are 2 or 3 senior captains here. Most of the posters here (who are captains) are 2014-2016 hires. Few exceptions, but not many.
For them, it's easy to blame new hires. They forget the double-digit seniority lifers, who either don't care, or are busy re-flying every flight on their flight simulator to see if they could've saved a bit more fuel than they did. Or are taking videos to see how close to the second they can time the second engine start to 2 minutes from takeoff.
Meanwhile, they will negotiate, they will figure out what happened with management, and they will come back with a new deal. And I can almost guarantee it includes backpay with the original date.
The latest MEC email suggests the same. Do your job, wait, and stop suggesting illegal work actions in public forums.
For them, it's easy to blame new hires. They forget the double-digit seniority lifers, who either don't care, or are busy re-flying every flight on their flight simulator to see if they could've saved a bit more fuel than they did. Or are taking videos to see how close to the second they can time the second engine start to 2 minutes from takeoff.
Meanwhile, they will negotiate, they will figure out what happened with management, and they will come back with a new deal. And I can almost guarantee it includes backpay with the original date.
The latest MEC email suggests the same. Do your job, wait, and stop suggesting illegal work actions in public forums.
06-19-2019, 01:38 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,789
The 20 FB-active pilots have unified, but it's not widespread. I just flew a trip with a CA who bragged about how much fuel he saves every single trip. "We will shut down the APU for 10 minutes, that saves us 30 pounds of fuel".
Actual quote.
The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.
Actual quote.
The captains need some balls. Right now, some of them don't seem to have any. Stop blaming the new hires. The problem is way more senior than that.
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