Would you recommend flying for Envoy?
05-01-2019, 02:59 PM
#61
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Sure, easy to say keep your nose clean for last two years, but two years is a long time. Lots of things can happen in that period.
05-01-2019, 03:04 PM
#62
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I think the issue is that the company has varying degree's of "clean" in mind. Get sick one time to many, step letter. Turn right instead of left, step letter or fired. Call fatigued once too often, step letter. Take a delay because of improper terminology from the ramp, step letter. There is no hard and fast rules in place to designate the boundary so everyone is forced to play the game of when am I going to get a letter.
Sure, easy to say keep your nose clean for last two years, but two years is a long time. Lots of things can happen in that period.
Sure, easy to say keep your nose clean for last two years, but two years is a long time. Lots of things can happen in that period.
05-01-2019, 03:13 PM
#63
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Do you work for the union? Do you work for the company? Do you have inside knowledge of how many step letters go out? Do you know every single pilot in DFW good enough to know if they received a step letter? Are you so popular that everyone feels they need to write you letter if they get a step letter and thus can make such a statement?
If so, please let us know so we can take you more seriously.
05-01-2019, 03:47 PM
#64
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Again with defending the company. It isn't the frequency that is the issue. Is the line that you must cross that is. It moves from person to person so people don't know the when they may cross it.
Do you work for the union? Do you work for the company? Do you have inside knowledge of how many step letters go out? Do you know every single pilot in DFW good enough to know if they received a step letter? Are you so popular that everyone feels they need to write you letter if they get a step letter and thus can make such a statement?
If so, please let us know so we can take you more seriously.
Do you work for the union? Do you work for the company? Do you have inside knowledge of how many step letters go out? Do you know every single pilot in DFW good enough to know if they received a step letter? Are you so popular that everyone feels they need to write you letter if they get a step letter and thus can make such a statement?
If so, please let us know so we can take you more seriously.
05-01-2019, 03:50 PM
#65
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Again with defending the company. It isn't the frequency that is the issue. Is the line that you must cross that is. It moves from person to person so people don't know the when they may cross it.
Do you work for the union? Do you work for the company? Do you have inside knowledge of how many step letters go out? Do you know every single pilot in DFW good enough to know if they received a step letter? Are you so popular that everyone feels they need to write you letter if they get a step letter and thus can make such a statement?
If so, please let us know so we can take you more seriously.
Do you work for the union? Do you work for the company? Do you have inside knowledge of how many step letters go out? Do you know every single pilot in DFW good enough to know if they received a step letter? Are you so popular that everyone feels they need to write you letter if they get a step letter and thus can make such a statement?
If so, please let us know so we can take you more seriously.
05-01-2019, 04:15 PM
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05-01-2019, 04:24 PM
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That's right, example, scheduled to flow 5 Sept 2019, already assigned a class, July 2019 you get a step letter, company withholds you for that, now you might flow no earlier than July 2021. You flowed eventually, with roughly 2000 pilots senior to you in front and 2 years behind pay rate. But like he said, you will flow, maybe.
05-01-2019, 04:37 PM
#69
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That's right, example, scheduled to flow 5 Sept 2019, already assigned a class, July 2019 you get a step letter, company withholds you for that, now you might flow no earlier than July 2021. You flowed eventually, with roughly 2000 pilots senior to you in front and 2 years behind pay rate. But like he said, you will flow, maybe.
05-01-2019, 04:59 PM
#70
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I've still got a couple years of training and flight instructing left to do, but i'm currently comparing Envoy and Skywest as potential airlines to start out with. The Skywest forum seems pretty positive overall, the Envoy forum on the other hand... not so much. So, Envoy pilots, would you recommend flying here?
I wouldn’t recommend Envoy or Piedmont given how far behind the pack they are in pay etc.
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