Would you recommend flying for Envoy?
05-01-2019, 07:43 AM
#54
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While I understand this is absolutely a possibility and nobody after the protected group is guaranteed to flow, I am not aware of anything in writing that says without a doubt step letter = no flow. Somebody please show me otherwise if you have evidence, I'd love to be more educated on the matter.
Yes, our management can be vengeful at times, and I could absolutely see them holding some people back with step letters as heads on pikes for everyone else to see. But I don't see them withholding everyone with step letters. If flow loses all of its value (more than it has already lost in the 8.9+ years being the timeframe for a new hire), there is literally zero reason to come to Envoy.
Yes, our management can be vengeful at times, and I could absolutely see them holding some people back with step letters as heads on pikes for everyone else to see. But I don't see them withholding everyone with step letters. If flow loses all of its value (more than it has already lost in the 8.9+ years being the timeframe for a new hire), there is literally zero reason to come to Envoy.
05-01-2019, 07:52 AM
#55
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While I understand this is absolutely a possibility and nobody after the protected group is guaranteed to flow, I am not aware of anything in writing that says without a doubt step letter = no flow. Somebody please show me otherwise if you have evidence, I'd love to be more educated on the matter.
Yes, our management can be vengeful at times, and I could absolutely see them holding some people back with step letters as heads on pikes for everyone else to see. But I don't see them withholding everyone with step letters. If flow loses all of its value (more than it has already lost in the 8.9+ years being the timeframe for a new hire), there is literally zero reason to come to Envoy.
Yes, our management can be vengeful at times, and I could absolutely see them holding some people back with step letters as heads on pikes for everyone else to see. But I don't see them withholding everyone with step letters. If flow loses all of its value (more than it has already lost in the 8.9+ years being the timeframe for a new hire), there is literally zero reason to come to Envoy.
Pilots hired by Envoy after October 11, 2011 with an active Performance Advisory or Attendance Control Policy Advisory are not eligible for flow through. Such a pilot may elect to have pending grievance of an active advisory resolved under expedited procedures.
However, after the PPs the rest of the groups are contractual and also the result of a settled grievance now. So I doubt they'd have much leg to stand on to stop people all together from flowing
Last edited by moon; 05-01-2019 at 08:02 AM.
05-01-2019, 08:15 AM
#56
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Letter 15-01
Pilots hired by Envoy after October 11, 2011 with an active Performance Advisory or Attendance Control Policy Advisory are not eligible for flow through. Such a pilot may elect to have pending grievance of an active advisory resolved under expedited procedures.
However, after the PPs the rest of the groups are contractual and also the result of a settled grievance now. So I doubt they'd have much leg to stand on to stop people all together from flowing
Pilots hired by Envoy after October 11, 2011 with an active Performance Advisory or Attendance Control Policy Advisory are not eligible for flow through. Such a pilot may elect to have pending grievance of an active advisory resolved under expedited procedures.
However, after the PPs the rest of the groups are contractual and also the result of a settled grievance now. So I doubt they'd have much leg to stand on to stop people all together from flowing
05-01-2019, 09:24 AM
#58
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We are out of captains. The ones that can leave, do. By slowing down the flow, they retain a few more.
Keep in mind this is the same company that FIRED two pilots for turning left instead of right and then correcting it when advised by atc. Totally smoked their careers over a wrong turn. Do you really want to work for someone like that?
Keep in mind this is the same company that FIRED two pilots for turning left instead of right and then correcting it when advised by atc. Totally smoked their careers over a wrong turn. Do you really want to work for someone like that?
I’m not saying what happened is fine, by any stretch, but I am just pointing out that Envoy is far from the only regional who will do that. And for the record, I will 1000% not go to SkyWest, so that does mean something to me.
I know Envoy has had direct entry CAs for some time. Are there enough FOs to upgrade and keep the place staffed, to make this more of a temporary supply problem, or is this just business as usual? If the latter, that’s unfortunate.
Last edited by skyemiles2; 05-01-2019 at 09:45 AM.
05-01-2019, 09:26 AM
#59
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A friend was fired from SkyWest for an error that could have lead to an accident. He was on probation as an FO. The big difference is the media didn’t get their teeth into that one.
I’m not saying what happened is fine, by any stretch, but I am just pointing out that Envoy is far from the only regional who will do that. And for the record, I will 1000% not go to SkyWest, so that does mean something to me.
I know Envoy has had direct entry CAs for some time. Are there enough FOs to upgrade and keep the place staffed, to make this more of a temporary supply problem, or is this just business as usual? If the latter, that’s unfortunate.
I’m not saying what happened is fine, by any stretch, but I am just pointing out that Envoy is far from the only regional who will do that. And for the record, I will 1000% not go to SkyWest, so that does mean something to me.
I know Envoy has had direct entry CAs for some time. Are there enough FOs to upgrade and keep the place staffed, to make this more of a temporary supply problem, or is this just business as usual? If the latter, that’s unfortunate.
05-01-2019, 02:51 PM
#60
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